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Brick, I'm glad that you got the carb problem fixed. Sure wish that we lived closer as I'm certain I could have figured out the Edelbrock for you, but I think you'll be happier with the Holley anyway.
As I mentioned to you I took my grandson to the drags at Topeka Sunday and Scott Palmer let him sit in his Top Fueler and I got a couple of pictures. That was worth the price of admission by itself. :D :D
I took my stock 51 Chevy 2-door post apart about 4 weeks ago. I the past 3 weekends I have added a Chassis Engineering IFS with 2" drop spindles, Disc brakes, and a flammimg river manual rack. Also added a Tilt steering column and a Billet steering wheel.
In the next couple of weeks I'll be installing a 350 V-8, Turbo 350 Trany with Walton Fabrication crossmember, New 4-core radiator, 10-Bolt Posi rearend, and a Walton Fabrication Power Brake set-up.
I'm sure there will be more stuff too.:LOL:
Jimmyz
My name is Zak I'm 15 and just yesterday I found a 1948 Chevrolet Style Master in a ditch in the back of my Grandfather's pasture. I was told it has been sitting out there for 30+ years. The body is a little beat up and it has some surface rust. I want to rebuild it back to original, but the motor is gone and the interior is gutted except for the steering wheel, seat frames, dash, handles, and window cranks. The exterior is in ok condition considering it's been out there for a long time. I would say 80% of the original chrome molding/emblems are still on it.
Zak
I got to give it everything last weekend, and the result was I broke the transmission. A replacement is on it's way, and I should be ready to do it all over again on June 10th.
http://www.actionracingphotos.com/ph...28DML_5550.jpg
Brickman, I am learning from your experiences and wonder if there is some place that makes up radiator shrouds for common radiators? Since I am running a very small cam I am considering running a high flow water pump on my 355 and just using a flex fan on a stock shape aftermarket '29 Ford radiator with just a flex fan? Maybe if I had a shroud around the flex fan that would be enough?
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
I want a copy of that shot NTF! That is the best stuff there is for sure. I am holding on to the eddy and am going to rebuild it just for the learning time. I still think it is a good carb.
Nice stuff jimmyZ, got any pics?
That would be a very big project for anyone, especially someone with limited experiance. I would shy away from it but maybe trade it for a little more complete project.
Very nice shot pro60, very cool! I'll be waiting for film clips again this season.
I am getting a little too warm at idol (Like waiting in traffic), 200 degrees. My fan is only a 13" flex and is 3" from the radiator so I am putting on a 3" shroud to help in traffic. How close is your fan to your radiator? Make sure that half of the fan sticks out of the shroud so it will properly displace the overflow at speed. Other wise it can actually creat a air dam getting the motor hotter at 60 mph hour than it should. This I found out the hard way too. If your can use a 17" fan with a shroud it will do great. If you still need more you can use an electirc reverse outside that comes on in traffic.
Radiator shrouds are easy to build, Don. Just takes a bit of aluminum and a sheet metal brake. Got to build one for my pickup soon, will take some pics for you....
OK Dave, any pictures would be helpful. I found one site where a steel shroud was made for e '32 but aluminum should be softer. Brickman's point about spacing the shroud so the blades are half way through the hole when not flexed is worth the price of admission, thanks! I was going to go with an electric fan but Brickman seems to be right on the edge of working with only a 13" flex fan and I have a 16" flex fan so maybe I can get it to work along with a max flow water pump. Here is a steel shroud for a '32:
http://home1.gte.net/wgmumaw/shroud/shroud.htm
A comment to Zak above. After messing with trying to build a whole car from parts, even a very rusty '48 Chevy looks good to me and Zak, you are never going to have more energy than you do right now at 15. The old problem is that funds are hard to come by at that age but with care looking around at junk yard parts and studying the "Trading Post" in your area you should be able to find a motor, trans and rear pretty cheap. The dividing line for me and my advice to you is to look at the frame. If it is rusted through, forget that car. Being down in a ditch may have rusted things pretty bad underneath and that would be very hard to fix, even with a body off project. I opted out of a project on a rusty '41 Merc convertible because the whole X-member was metal lace and it looked like a LOT of tough welding to bring it back to safe condition so that is why I am building a repro-roadster. At your age a rolling car would be better but check out the rust situation under the floor if you can. Maybe there is no floor and you can look at it directly but that is the dividing line in my mind. If the frame is OK then it will be amazing what a person your age can do. I bought a '31 Ford Fordor at age 15 with paper route money and added sealed beams, dimmer floor switch and painted it with a brush and ran it for a year before I figured out that it was an anti-magnet for girls and then it was time to move up to a '47 Ford convertible! Then there is the problem of a title?
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder.
Well I have bothered folks here a lot and I have received a lot of help so here are some latest results on painting the upper body of my '29 by Haskin's Body Shop In Ashland, the painter is "Kenny" and the color was selected after much deliberation as a PPG m8237a which is supposed to be a dark metallic maroon with clearcoat. I don't know the name or what cars have it but we might just call it "Haskin's Merlot". In the darkened shop it looks like a metallic maroon with just a touch of purple, but under the flash it looks like a dark red, anyway I am pleased with the color and painting the Bebops floor-fenders is next. The polished stainless bumpers ought to look good with this color! I'll attach a few pictures as soon as I scale them down to the 390 Kb limit of this new Forum format.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
I can't wait for pics Don, sounds like a great color. I think that you won't have any problem with overheating after you put a shroud on either. Make sure that your radiator is totally good. Good luck bud, I hate having overheating problems. You can make a shroud real easy, bend a few tabs and put a cross gusset high in the center to hold a round shape. I just wanted a chrome one.
Thanks DennyW, I resized four pictures but will only send two. DennyW may recall the color he painted on my picture about a year ago.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
Here's the firewall, it looks much more like red under the flash, those are not scratches just some dirty handprints on the cowl.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
Thanks DennyW, you have been a very big help along with some other foilks. For Brickman and Dave, I found the listing under Cyclone shrouds in the Speedway catalog for some black plastic that will fit a '29 radiator as long as I can cut out the round hole. Brickman, the comment about putting the blades out of the hole part way is a valuable tip. Thanks.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
Don
Realy nice color Anything RED is COOL. Bet your getting ancious about now.
Charlie
Wow..........really great looking color and paint job. Chrome parts are really going to pop against this color. Looks a mile deep, too.
Don
Nice job Don. It's cool when a project comes together.
looks great! don i can see you going down the Blue Ridge Parkway now. :cool: with me trying to keep up. :CRY:
lt1s10, I might get this roadster on the road yet and then try visiting some folks like you who are not too far away. I just came up I-77 on Sunday from a trip to Biltmore with the wife in my Sunfire. I-77 was almost deserted on Sunday and it was mighty fine driving. We had lunch in Staunton before swinging East on I-64. In Staunton we parked next to a brand new Impala with a V6 and that new Chevy orange color; the owner said he only was getting 18 mpg with the V6 but the car looked good! Well even after getting the body together, there are still a lot of odds and ends like a fuel line and a lot of wiring but seeing the body together will help stimulate work to the finish. I talked to the tech guy at Brookville and he said they routinely use a GM column with turn signals to the brakelights in the rear, so I have to ponder over that situation a little more because it would look best, IMO, to just have the stock tail lights and wink the brake lights for the turn signals. I'll look into the trailer-light relay idea and get something to work. Thanks again for looking up the Camaro column circuit.
DennyW, I checked out your page on the shroud and have bookmarked it, thanks for the reference.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
thats what you call taking the long way around to get to Baltimore :cool: i really like that maroon. you luck is like mine. 99.9 % of GM cars the brake lights goes through the turn signals, and you had to pick a column that didn't. :( that trailer relay may be the way to go.
Great color for the roadster, Don, excellent choice!!!! It's really going to be a gorgeous car when you get it put together.....
That Is a very cool red, it has some awesome depth.
LT1s10, you are jiving me. We went to see Biltmore, the huge restored Vanderbilt mansion in Ashville NC, and I was just trying to say that to go thorugh Raleigh-Durham on I-40 is almost as bad as going to DC on I-95, but the shorcut on I-77 past Lynchburg in your neighborhood after the turn on I-81 was really nice. I'm lining up the second part of the paint job on the fenders and running boards for later this week. It is clear that I had to farm out the paint work but it looks good so far. The sprayer's name is Kenny Bishop and he has done some nice work on Mustangs in the past but apparently not many early cars. There are a lot of restorers in this area but they go strictly by the original color charts. The shop owner is Haskins Ramos and he has done excellent repair work for me on insurance claims in the past and they do an occasional sports car like a blue Corvette they recently finished, but this week he put my car body out front to attract business. Funny thing is in the daylight the car looks just like a dark red/maroon but not as dark as in the shop or as light as with the camera flash, that paint will definitely look different in different light. Now I am going to have to work this summer to pay for the paint job, but that is OK, I do what I know how to do and Kenny does what he knows how to do.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/Teen Rodder
Don
Is there pearl in the paint? That usualy is what makes it change colors with light. I put it in every car I've paint
Thanks for you interest cffisher. Gee I don't know, all I can say is the formula was m8237a out of PPG. I looked at a pegboard of close to 1000 color chips and wanted a maroon red and it came with three differents size particles in it and the shop recommended the fine particles, but I thought they were fine metal chips. Maybe it is pearl. What is "pearl" anyway? I saw the formula on the computer screen but I don't recall seeing "pearl" mentioned. I was surprised to see there was more than a little purple in it; I guess that is how you make red into maroon. I like the daylight dark red very much but it will be interesting to see what it looks like under a sodium arc street light. As I have said before in this Formum, my pride and joy in high school was a '47 Ford convertible painted the Cadillac "Aztec Red" and it was such a bright orange-red that it made your eyes tired if you looked at it too long, but the point is that color really looked different under sodium arc street lights and different again under the mercury arc type street lights. Well it's going to be fun!
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/Teen Rodder
you car is looking good Don, but I would have went up I-95 to get to Baltimore. you were just riding around. "pearl" is ground up pearls (oysters type) mixed with the paint.
Ground up Pearls! Damn, no wonder it's so expensive!
Well it is expensive, but I'll take a time out to study the material science of "pearl". As I also previously mentioned, one of my Chemistry classmates was/is in charge of the DuPont Rainbow paint job on No. 24 on the NASCAR circuit and they probably just use acrylic on a race car and not an expensive show car formulation. Still my point is that there is real science in the paint formulation involving organic chemistry and polymer science and considering the volume of paint involved, I would guess that the paint companies have found something like natural pearl, but I am guessing that real pearls are too valuable to crush up in paint. As Brickman says that would really make it expensive! Still there is no denying the role of practical engineers and entrepeneurers in finding practical formulations that remain proprietary. Now you really got me wondering what it is. Maybe lt1s10 thinks they make it in Baltimore from Chesapeake oysters, but sadly the oysters are in trouble and the catch is way down in recent years so that would argue for some other material!
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/Teen Rodder
you may be right don, its just one of those things that i've believed most of my life. at a 100.00 a qt. it should be. this is what DuPont has to say.
Special Effects - Pearls and Metallics
The first metallic car colors introduced in the late 1920's were formulated by adding materials such as bronze powders to car paints. This began a trend of using metallics to give vehicles a "glamour look," which remained popular for decades. In the 1960's metallic paints were given dramatic highlights with the introduction of the fire frost aluminum flake.
Pearls, which were formulated in the 1960's, gained popularity in the late 1970's. Pearls give the vehicle finish a cleaner look than metallics because pearl flakes selectively reflect the most prominent color in the paint back in the direction of the light source. This causes the paint's base color to be projected more than any other color in the paint, which results in a paint color that is more intense. The use of pearls in today's colors allows the automotive market to offer colors that are cleaner and brighter with more sparkle than is possible with metallic flake. When painted in waterborne, the finish may appear even more brilliant.
The main difference between pearls and metallics: metallics reflect all of the light that shines into them, while pearls reflect back only the paint's primary hue.
:cool:
I was told the reason red is so exspensive is because they use real gold to make red colors ?:confused: So pearls seem logical.
The Haskin's Shop (owners first name) recently hired Kenny Bishop as the main painter and the front office is run by Haskin's wife Lee who was a big help in the paint selection. No need to keep going over this, but Lee says that pearl is really "mica" which is a natural mineral with a chemical formula of (Si(O2))x which forms extended sheets of planar hexagons similar to the honeycomb sheets of graphite. It is evidently the little flat platelets that reflect light and make the dazzling effect. Fortunately mica is a pretty common mineral so I suppose the cost cited by lt1s10 comes from purfying and grading the flake size of the mica, and of course the usual specialty markup of "you want it, we got it". I will also look into the use of gold for reds. Gold has many unusual properties like incredible ductility, but mainly is almost totally unreactive, although a mixture of HNO3 and HCL (aqua Regia) will dissolve Gold and so the chloride of gold is possible to make. I would have guessed that reds have either organic dyes or Cadmium oxide which is "vermillion" in color. Hey this is interesting to me as a chemist, but it sure does look purty on the car.
In edit mode I add (to gild the lily, hah!) we were not able back out the paint formula to learn what it came from but it is BASF with Nason clearcoat. The shop wants to call it "Haskin's Merlot" to get a little publicity, but actually there are a lot of late model cars out there with similar colors whether GM wagons or Mustangs. I just have to remember the formula in the event of a need for touchups. Another consideration for mica is that maybe the formulas is (SiO)x since the hexagons have alternating Si and O atoms around the ring, but it is one of those repetitive two-dimensional crystal structures that just extends very far.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
Okay Don, here's a little help for you in your quest. My former paint reps told me that the red pigment is mined in So. Africa, and because of the popularity/availability limits/difficulty of acquiring it lead to the high cost.
thanks don, learn something new every day. it just dawned on me what you were talking about biltmore nc, I just had Baltimore no my mind and I didn't know about Biltmore. you have to work with slow people a little. but one thing i can do is wire that car of yours in less than 10 hrs. with my feet bound , one hand tied behind me, and with a blind fold on. i dont have to spell or type to do that. :whacked: :LOL: :LOL:
Right on Lt1s10! We do what we do and fake the rest! HeHeHe!
or "everybody can't be good at everthing" **)Quote:
Originally Posted by brickman
Hey no problem, I have already run into a lot of things I am not very good at, but I won't flunk the course in "Cut it with a hacksaw and file it smooth". Still this is no threat to the AMBR contest, that's for sure! lt1s10, I just thought you would know about Biltmore since you are not too far from it, but actually I did not know about it myself until about a year ago. It would be a nifty place to go to for a rod run but sadly the tickets are $42! The way to do that is to not enter the grounds but meet in the town of Ashville at the neat McDonalds. It has to be the best McDonalds in the world. It has a fireplace and a Wurlitzer piano playing constanty and instead of modern plastic decor, the whole building is Tudor style wood. I had to take a picture of the piano in the McDonalds. Hey don't pay the $42 ticket, just meet at the McDonalds and ruum-ruum around the town. Let me know if someone sets up a rod run to Ashville. Beware, however of Bilks, my wife almost picked up a sweatshirt top in Bilks, but dropped it when she saw the price of $175! I haven't seen such prices since I stopped in to Clint Eastwood's store on the West Coast! Apparently Bilks is the right name! Why you could buy Model A headlights for that much! My nemesis is spray paint and that is why I farmed it out. I talked with a guy at "Rust-to-Rods" in Utah about the Mr. Roadster lights and the '83 Camaro column and he guessed the Camaros went to separate amber turn signals and that is why the wire to the stoplight trick won't work on that column. I just need to think about how to add separate lights for the rear turn signals. For Brickman I have a story about a bricklayer we brought in to match our outdoor wall brick in an indoor fireplace installed over a wooden floor. He said "no brick on wood", I guess because of the weight, but my son, son-in-law and myself put in a metal firebox in a wooden wall corner, boxed it in with drywall and then used rough tile on the face of the wood surround which is much lighter than real brick. It looks like real brick and we have had fires in it safely several time! Thanks all for all the hints.
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
Don, I put in a fireplace with real brick. nuttin' to it. just cut a hole in the floor (best to cut the hole the same size as the finished fireplace), dig a hole in the crawlspace (best to line that up with the hole in the floor) & pour a footing. Lay up a cinder block box to the cieling and face it with brick 1-2-3 yer' done. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
ProZ, you are undoubtedly a man of many talents! Yes, the footing is needed for the weight of real bricks. I am just amazed we could put a metal fireplace in a wooden wall with a double-sleeve stainless steel chimney pipe and it is supposed to be guaranteed for 20 years on the firebox lining. "Steel is real, but brick is thick?" Back to McDonalds in Ashville, NC; if you live within 300 miles of Ashville, it's worth the trip! Also maybe Bilk is Belk but it's a bilk anyway!
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder
Don, today I learned there is no pearl paint,:mad: and there is a place called Biltmore, nc,:) but I got a feeling the next time you say you went to biltmore I'm gonna read Baltimore into spite hell. :rolleyes: