OUCH! Boy, when it rains on you it pours! Hope it all comes together easily for you...
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OUCH! Boy, when it rains on you it pours! Hope it all comes together easily for you...
Yeah, me too. Luckily I've been hoarding parts for these for a while. My brother just had his spare injection pump rebuilt, and he's going to let me run it for now. I happened to have a spare 24v 5.9 but it has high miles on it. It'll have to work for now until I rebuild another engine for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
I forgot to add the Caddy is getting worse as far as the heater core. It was missing horribly on Sunday but that went away. Fingers be crossed on that. Haha
No progress on this thing, but my carb adapter from hot heads showed up. :LOL: One of my older friends wants to build a new frame for the car now. I told him that's fine, but it'll have to wait. If I build a new frame, it's going to have to be tubbed some, then I'll need a blower, and then, yeah it's going to have to wait. Haha
I was looking at some work a guy in Ohio does, and I saw a frame he did. I really like the way he did the new X member and I think I might try to go this route.
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I just got a little closer on the ol parts list today. I remembered I ordered a gallon kit of Hot rod flatz black last year for my buddies pulling truck, but it still isn't running. I guess I'll use it on the 40 since he doesn't want my donation. :LOL:
I know some of you have Megasquirt systems on your cars. I haven't taken the time yet to research what all I need, but I'm contemplating the idea of putting a turbo and megasquirt on my 354. Do you end up with $3500 or more in a megasquirt setup?
Yep, no real progress here. I have been compiling more on the want list, and I did aquire a big piece that will require some hood modifications..................
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My plan is to send the blower to Rick Dean Blowers and have him triple pin the rotors, install new seals and high speed bearings, and reset the clearances. My plan for now is to buy a new aluminum dual quad intake, use a piece of 1" aluminum to adapt the supercharger to the dual quad intake. A standard intake won't work as this blower case is a V design instead of an inline and the mounting on the sides differ. I'm pretty sure I can rebuild this blower and purchase all the parts needed to install it and make it work for $2000. This will save me $2500 or so compared to buying a new unit. I plan to under drive the blower for now to only run little boost so I can street drive it next summer. Then build the engine the next winter as doing it all at once will keep the car torn apart longer.
Ryan, I can't speak to the total cost of going MegaSquirt, but when I was looking I was initially blown away by the $4000 price tag for the packaged Edelbrock system. But then I started adding up the cost of all the pieces & parts that came in their package, which were already fully coordinated. A lot will depend on what you plan for injector mounting. Are you going to drill & tap your dual quad manifold for direct port injection, or do you have some other plan? The drill & tap route will shave a few bucks off (I was looking at some pricey front mount throttle body manifolds), but it has to be done right to make everything fit, like the fuel rails. Once you start pricing injectors, fuel rails, fuel supply & return line, throttle body, distributor, AN fittings, fuel pump, fuel filter, electrical connectors, etc, etc, to add to the MegaSquirt kit it starts adding up. You might keep it below $3500 if you drill & tap for the injectors. I'd be interested in what you see as the approach you'll take.Quote:
Originally Posted by 40FordDeluxe
Now that I've got this 871, I don't know what I'm going to do now. I think I'm going to wait on the fuel injection and try to carb it as minimal as I can and under drive the blower for minimal boost so I can leave the engine alone for next summer. I know if I try to install the blower, buy different wheels and tires, maybe an a/c kit, and different interior, will be limited by funds. So, we'll see how it goes. If I can sell a bunch of un-needed parts, maybe things will change. :LOL:
Has anyone done any woodgraining on their cars? I've really wanted a woodgrained dash for a while in this car. I saw a guy do it on another forum and he suggested this kit. I may try to find a similar cheaper kit and give it a whirl. His turned out awesome!
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Do you mean like this?? I can tell you that it was done just using a spray gun to shoot the base and then just paint brushes to make the grain. My friend did it for me in the suburban we built and he's in So. Cal. if you need more info. i can put you in touch with him..
I agree with Parkwood, everything I've seen was just done using a brush and two or three colors of paint then lots of clear to level the finish and give it the shine you want. If you Google "How to woodgrain ____" (fill in the blank with a dash, a metal door, a garage door) there are tons of YouTube videos out there showing techniques. I'd say the guy recommending a $650 kit was getting a cut on the kits!!
Yes sir! I was thinking the kit was expensive but if you don't know how to make the brush technique look real it will look pure fake and gotty in my opinion. I've seen guys brush out woodgrain but they practiced for years on their technique. I'll get some pics of this other guys work so you have an idea. Thanks for the help though, maybe your guy can offer me some cheaper aid. :LOL:
Do any of you guys know of any supplier selling fiberglass gas fill door kits? I have the wider rear fiberglass fenders and I want to put a gas fill door on instead of a tube sticking through the fender. The only thing I can readily think of to use right now is a fuel filler door from a 84-97 ford dually fender. Did any other fiberglass cars have a decent gas fill door besides a Corvette? I doubt I can find a Vette to hack a fill door set up out of. :LOL:
ryan just a thought, if you have the inside parts of the gas door off the dually and it would work couldn't you make your own door... i don't know of anyone who makes a glass gas door just by their selfs.. hit a junk yard you might be surprised about finding a vet to take one from.Quote:
Originally Posted by 40FordDeluxe
Ryan, not sure if it'll work for you but, I have a "universal" metal gas door with the magnetic latch. The latch "catches" when you push in once and releases when you push in a second time. It's sitting in a pile of parts, brand new, and I have no use for it. You pay for the ride and it's yours free if you're interested.
You could also mold a metal one to the fiberglas, right? Of course, one of the reasons to use a fuel door on these fenders is to make the filler tube "go away". If the fuel door is too large, it will probably have the opposite effect and draw more attention.:eek:
On these fuel door kits, the surface sheet metal is tack welded to the box. It would be easy enough to remove the surface metal and mold the box to the underside of your fender and cut a hole in the fiberglas to use the metal fuel door. It would be small and match the contour of your fender, has a spring-loaded magnetic catch and should work fine. I installed one on my '37 fender (steel) but I welded it in. Just exploring options....:D
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Thanks for the offer. I'll keep this in mind and I might take you up on this later. Ryan.Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
Thanks Randy. I thought about using steel but was concerned with the shrink and expansion rates between the two, worried it could crack over time? I've got a ford dually fender I'm going to hack one out of and see if it'll even remotely fit. I'm guessing it won't because the fuel door is flat and I'm thinking the fender has a curve to it right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by randyr
Hi, my opinion is to cut the 40 fender where you want the filler and use the cut out fender portion as the base lid. You could take the dually mechanism and add the "new" cutout 40 lid to the setup. Then, work the dually mechanism into your tank fill. Doing that, you will end up with a 40 lid that exactly matches the fender because it once was a part of the fender.
I hear ya, Ryan but early Corvettes and various other fiberglas cars have steel imbedded in the glass at various points for strength, etc. so I'm not sure that the shrink/expansion rates will be that big a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by 40FordDeluxe
Scooting's idea is similar to what I was suggesting except using the "behind the fender" portion of the unit from the dually fender you already have. The challenge with that idea is finding a hole saw that will cut a clean enough hole that you can still use the cutout for the lid. Will be cool to see what you come up with....:)
Outside the box... French a Jaguar or aftermarket flip up flush with the fender.
Still want flush but tiny? Look on Ebay for pop up gas filler for Harley. They have kits where the button is flush with tank, push in on it, it pops up so you can unscrew itAttachment 59622.Attachment 59621
I really like that Harley pop up filler idea! Going to have to try to put that one in the memory banks where it doesn't fade away....Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooting
You can purchase the pop up center by itself. Then if you wanted it in a fiberglass fender, get a chunk of fiberglass rod, drill the center, thread it, and mold it in. A bit of work to get it correct but it should be possible.
Ryan, I think you're worrying about something that can't happen. Differential expansion is by unit area, meaning that the bigger the piece the more expansion affects it. If you were joining a piece of steel ten feet long to a fiberglass panel then the expansion rates might be a concern, but you're looking at a piece a few inches, so any difference in expansion will be negligible, and will be absorbed by the panels. I wouldn't be concerned with grafting in a small steel fuel door assembly.
Thanks for the ideas and help guys. I like the Harley idea, but IMO it wouldn't be much different than what I have right now on the side of the fender. I have to dig out my parts list and go over it so I can get back on track. I want to add another bay to my shop before it snows so I can have a couple of projects torn down at one time without having to rearrange shop everytime something comes up. I best get crackin. :LOL:
Ryan, you mold in the pop up outside to the fender flush with the surface, the cap fits flush. If painted the same color as the fender all you see is a circle a bit larger than a 50 cent piece even with the fender. All is flush and body color. To open, you push the circle and the circular center pops up so you can unscrew the cap. Big difference than the stock setup.
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Ray, is that cap vented? The issue I have with the stock setup is that if the tank is full and the heat outside expands the gas in the tank, the cap vents gas on to the fender. If the fill tube is behind the fender the gas wouldn't make it on to the fender. I know that is kind of a moot point once the car is painted with quality paint, but it may be a while for that and I'd like to keep the gas off the fender if I can. The harley thing is still an option.
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I personally have done this 3 times one of which was a complete 26x30 building STILL not enough room. I hope this works for you. I am at present thinking about an addition on the 26x30 building.
Charlie, thanks. I hope it works out too. I have two 20x30 bays but with the addition I will have a 20x60 area. I'll basically be adding another 20x30 on the back of my south bay. I'm sure it won't be enough, but it'll be more indoor room out of the cold and snow.
Right now I'm having trouble deciding if I want to use the 871 or put 2 small turbos on the 354. Thoughts?
My biggest issue with the turbos is fitment. With the Hemi, I'll be cramped for room. The 871 will fit, I'm just wondering how bad mileage will suffer from 2 carbs on the 871.
To even consider fuel consumption while thinking of superchargers and dual turbos is a bit of a oxymoron isn't it? One just doesn't equate (well) with the other. I'm doing the install of the dual quad intake over this winter and I'm just resigning myself to the fact that fuel consumption won't be great. Heck, with the one 4 barrel on there now it isn't much! But it's more for the reason that the pedal that connects to the carb spends to much time on the floor...
WTH.. that is why I built it right?!?! LOL..
I had the same thought when I read it the post last night. Depending on how you set up the carb linkage your dual fours should run on two venturi's at idle and up to perhaps 25-30% throttle for cruise mode, so fuel consumption will be determined by skinny pedal position, right? And it'll spend more time greater than 50% than it does below 50%, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by 34_40
I'd say that when anyone looks at either setup the question, "What's your best overall mileage?" is not going to be in their top ten if they know anything about hot rods..... If someone does ask just smile and say, "Seriously??", and then laugh. If you're concerned with economy buy a Prius, or go with the twin turbo's with a fixed throttle stop at 40%. ;) Your MPG will still suck, though...;):LOL::LOL:
Big ole Hemi with a big old Blower in a big old 40 = Pure Class
Big ole Hemi with twin turbos in a big old 40 = interesting but not near as much class
Gas milage of 2 4bls depends on setup and how you drive it. It does not have to be bad. If you size the carbs right and get them spot on, it won't be that far off from normal driving with one carb. If there are plans for a set of rubber tracks coming out of your driveway that get thicker by the week, quit being prissy about the milage. Take the "Seriously" route.
Ok I should be more clear, with the 2 turbos I'll only be using one 750 or one 650 double pumper carb. Not 2. On the blower I'd like to have 2 450's. I'm kind of leaning towards turbos just because everyone expects a blower to be on top of a Hemi. I'm going to strive for some performance and mileage because I want to drive it daily and it has to do decent or I can't. I'm a poor boy. :LOL: If I can't have some power and mileage then why mess with the gas crap. I've got other fuel alternative power sources I could go to. Haha (Cummins or a 7.3 Powerstroke)
In more thought here...... The turbos I have I'd use if I go turbo route will be 2 HX35W's. They are only 57mm compressors, so they aren't huge. My biggest issue with turbos is going to be packaging. There isn't much room in the engine bay with the Hemi there. I may not make up my mind until I actually get the car back in the shop and try fitting things on it. Too many choices. :LOL:
Your car not mine, build to please yourself.
And if that Hemi was in my 40, it would have a blower peeking through the hood.
Check the 37 from head on.
That is one nice car!!!!
One of my older friends is telling me that I should be able to achieve 15+ mpg's with a blower set up right since I have a lock up overdrive trans. He is ready to smack me for not putting a blower on it. :LOL:
Sounds like a smart guy! With age comes wisdom, sometimes.....:LOL::LOL::LOL: Ask him if he needs any help with the smacking. Scooting will pick me up on the way to Iowa....Quote:
Originally Posted by 40FordDeluxe
Come on up, becareful though, I might have to put you guys to work afterwards. :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
I was checking out pics of 40 Fords and ran across this. It isn't exactly how I'd build one, but it is pretty cool. I dig the stance, but I'm not sold on the big wheel no tire situation.
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