37 Ford build--IE: old Header issues thread /37 Ford/5.0/GT40P heads

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So what's the purpose of a "moan" bracket? Heck, I remember when you moved into that garage! Sure didn't take long to mess it up! ROFL!

[randyr]

So what's the purpose of a "moan" bracket? Heck, I remember when you moved into that garage! Sure didn't take long to mess it up! ROFL!

It's an ANTI-moan bracket. They say these brakes had a tendency to "moan" in reverse or at really low speeds. This bracket is suppose to give a little more support to the caliper and stop the moaning. I don't know why they didn't just design a stronger bracket for the caliper instead. Ford used these brackets on the Mustang GT's & Cobras from '95-04...

I can explain the garage.... It won't look like this forever!!! famous last words....

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It's an ANTI-moan bracket. They say these brakes had a tendency to "moan" in reverse or at really low speeds. This bracket is suppose to give a little more support to the caliper and stop the moaning. I don't know why they didn't just design a stronger bracket for the caliper instead. Ford used these brackets on the Mustang GT's & Cobras from '95-04...

I can explain the garage.... It won't look like this forever!!! famous last words....

OH, right... "ANTI" moan.... kinda like my wi..... oh never mind. Better leave that one alone! That is funny about the design and the way "they" always seem to be trying to eliminate a fastener or a bracket. Then they pull this deal. I really do like the looks of the whole setup tho'., and I hope they perform as well as they look!

[406Rich]

Randy did those brake kits come with a spacer for the axle to take up the end play...? I`ve been looking at the crown vicky discs for mine, it will fit either the ford eight which is under mine now or 9 inch which I`m putting together now...both require the spacer ring.

[randyr]

Randy did those brake kits come with a spacer for the axle to take up the end play...? I`ve been looking at the crown vicky discs for mine, it will fit either the ford eight which is under mine now or 9 inch which I`m putting together now...both require the spacer ring.

Rich, I assume you're talking about a spacer to make up the gap from the old backing plate, right? If so, yes, there is a spacer in the kit for that. I chose this kit because it allows me to keep my existing wheel bearings which are still in good shape. It also makes provision to mount a Mustang splash/dust shield if I want. The downside is that it is best to use the anti-moan brackets for extra caliper stability and to eliminate any low speed/reverse moan.

If you need to replace your wheel bearings, Mustang Steve at mustangsteve.com also make a kit which he says doesn't need the anti moan brackets. You do have to replace the wheel bearings to install part of his mounting bracket though. His kit doesn't make a provision for a splash/dust shield, which he said he didn't think you really need.

There are installation examples on both sites:
ultrastang.com (where I got my kit for SN95 Cobra rear discs)

mustangsteve.com

[35fordcoupe]

Randy I was just talking about the bracket that the union attaching the rubber hose to the hard line is sitting on top of. I get it now...there is a nut welded to the rear.

Here's another question. Are your hard lines just standard inverted flared steel lines? Are those stock Mustang rubber hoses? I have '97 camaro discs on a '68 camaro 10 bolt. I ordered stock camaro rubber hoses and it threads on fine to my hard lines, but the flares on the hard line and rubber hose do not look like they will seal.

[randyr]

Randy I was just talking about the bracket that the union attaching the rubber hose to the hard line is sitting on top of. I get it now...there is a nut welded to the rear.

Here's another question. Are your hard lines just standard inverted flared steel lines? Are those stock Mustang rubber hoses? I have '97 camaro discs on a '68 camaro 10 bolt. I ordered stock camaro rubber hoses and it threads on fine to my hard lines, but the flares on the hard line and rubber hose do not look like they will seal.

Yes, I used the stock Mustang hoses and modified the mounting bracket for the axle. For the hard lines, I bought a 51" piece of 3/16" steel brake line and bent it to fit my application. I cut it and double-flared the ends to fit it to the hoses.
Are your hard lines double-flared?

[35fordcoupe]

thanks Rich. With the description, yes the hard line is a double flare. Basically, the hard line going into the rubber hose like it is right now would look like this <> which I know won't work. I don't know what flare the hose is. Randy- I tried taking a pic of the rubber hose, but I'm trying not to open the sealed bag in case i have to take it back and I can't take a picture through the bag. I think the hoses are metric bubble flares? It looks like maybe I can get an adaptor fitting to make it work. Sound right? sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread Randy.

[randyr]

thanks Rich. With the description, yes the hard line is a double flare. Basically, the hard line going into the rubber hose like it is right now would look like this <> which I know won't work. I don't know what flare the hose is. Randy- I tried taking a pic of the rubber hose, but I'm trying not to open the sealed bag in case i have to take it back and I can't take a picture through the bag. I think the hoses are metric bubble flares? It looks like maybe I can get an adaptor fitting to make it work. Sound right? sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread Randy.

Hey, no worries about hijacking the thread. We have a hodge podge of things happening on this thread anyway. If we can get your questions answered, it makes us happy. I'm not overly familiar with fittings, adapters, etc. but they do seem to make an adapter for about everything. Maybe you could take the hose & the hard line to your parts store and see if they have a fitting that'll work for you. Or maybe one of these other guys can tell you which one you need. Keep us posted on what you find.

[35fordcoupe]

ok so I got it figured out. the camaro is all metric which I knew, but what I didn't realize is that there is a metric flare - a bubble flare. I picked up a couple standard inverted flare to bubble flare adapters. I forgot the banjo bolts so I'll have to go back, but at least my issue seems to be solved. Thanks for the help.

[randyr]

ok so I got it figured out. the camaro is all metric which I knew, but what I didn't realize is that there is a metric flare - a bubble flare. I picked up a couple standard inverted flare to bubble flare adapters. I forgot the banjo bolts so I'll have to go back, but at least my issue seems to be solved. Thanks for the help.

Cool! I'm glad you got it figured out. I don't remember if you said you're adapting the Camaro brakes to a 9" Ford or do you have a Chevy rear in your car?

It's always the little things that slow us down, it seems. Forgetting the banjo bolts sounds like something I would do....

[IC2]

.....now let's see..... the AN 37* adapter and next a conventional 45* double flare into then a metric bubble flare into the GM metric calipers

[35fordcoupe]

camaro brakes on a chevy 10 bolt. I had assumed your american brakes would be similar to my american brakes, but I forgot the camaro is metric so i guess our situations aren't quite as similar as I had expected

Dave- my lines are double flare so I have a 45* flare hard line into the 45* flare to bubble flare adapter into the metric hose to the caliper. If I had remembered about the metric calipers before buying the hoses I would have tried a standard hose with just a metric banjo bolt maybe?

[IC2]

camaro brakes on a chevy 10 bolt. I had assumed your american brakes would be similar to my american brakes, but I forgot the camaro is metric so i guess our situations aren't quite as similar as I had expected

Dave- my lines are double flare so I have a 45* flare hard line into the 45* flare to bubble flare adapter into the metric hose to the caliper. If I had remembered about the metric calipers before buying the hoses I would have tried a standard hose with just a metric banjo bolt maybe?

It makes me very happy that all four corners of my car have simple NPT to AN fittings which are American made Wilwoods as well as a nice Corvette clone master cylinder.

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Well ya gotta be happy about making some progress! To bad about the centering issue. It looks like the tail lamp(s) are frenched. Or is it an illusion?