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I'm not old enough to remember those people.

Jim

How about Martin the Martian?

Here is our Vice President displaying the dignity that is appropriate for the office he holds.

Laughing at the Issues - YouTube

Jim

Originally Posted by Big Tracks

Here is our Vice President displaying the dignity that is appropriate for the office he holds.

Laughing at the Issues - YouTube

Jim

I tried watching that debate (debacle?) last night. Made it about 5-7 minutes. Painful!! All that idiot did was to further demonstrate the total ineptness and continued inappropriateness of the Obama administration. So far, looking at a few on-line news sites, Biden lost. Somewhere around 47-43 in favor of Ryan. The lib party faithful just cannot see what the Dems are doing

I thought the the two candidates at least showed themselves to be a bit real!!!! Much better then the debate with the two clowns running for the top seat!!!!!

If your upset at ZERObama apolgising and bowing to all these other heads of state worldwide---how do you think Joe would do???????actually a good sneer/laugh at some of them would be hilarious!!!!!!!!!!

Biden should start a party called the Realist Party..... at least he knows malarkey when he hears it!!!!!! I thought Ryan held his own, too bad he had to spend most of his time defending and explaining Romney!!!!

Will this be the first election where at least one person hasn't been in our military?????????????

Those of us of a certain age have heard the explanation often of the 1960 debate: for those who listened on the radio, Nixon won, for those watching on TV, Kennedy won. In a visual medium, style matters, maybe (sigh) more than substance. Each of us can zero in on favorite lines in the debate like calling a fight; A just landed a crushing left jab, B sliced with an upper cut...... but in the post debate reflection it may be images that prevail, and in this internet age where second hand recounts are many people's only source of "news", the stories repeated of those images grow, perhaps, disproportionately. On the substance I don't think either guy "won", they each had small triumphs and blunders. On style Ryan may have had the better "tactics". He came across as somewhat deferential to Bidens age and position (annoyed me during the debate because I thought he let Biden push him around a bit too much). But upon reflection, and somewhat influenced by post debate commentary and interviews, it looks like 'Ol Joe stepped on his..........ah........toe just a bit. It seems women in particular, well open minded women, not the koolaid drinkers, took great offense to his visible arrogance and snideness. It seemed natural to me, but then I see the Pres and his minions as elitists who think they should run my life..............of course they're arrogant and condescending! I don't know if that's enough to swing election results any, we'll see.

There were two things yesterday, that if capitalized on correctly, SHOULD have a huge impact. One was from earlier in the day, the other from early in the debate. Both regard the murder of our people in Benghazi on 9/11. I saw a clip of the deputy campaign director for Obama in an NBC (I think) interview say something along the lines, "....that the ONLY (emphasis hers) reason this Benghazi thing has become a story of interest is because of Romney and Ryan!" Even the sympathetic "news" gal had a look on her face like "are you serious???" Then Ol' Joe laid off the "blame some obscure online video" excuse on "the intelligence community told us that".

It will be interesting to see if there are any "leaks" in the next few days from "unnamed sources" within the intelligence community that put truth or challenge to that "throw someone else under the bus" comment. Of course, that will only be useful/effective if it's able to get past the lapdog media filter. Likewise the "It's Romney's fault" comment. For those tired of "It's Bush's fault", there's a new meme, yahoo! But how typical of this President that for the nine million, three hundred and fifty second time............................................bad outcomes are someone else's fault. Maybe I need to resurect that old joke that the sign on his desk reads......."The buck gets passed here.".

Ah yes, straight from the talking points of the RNC!!!!! I thought Biden and Ryan did great! Both talked directly to each other and actually answered the other's statement without all the evasiveness that we see from Romney and Obama.... Both seemed sincere in their talk about working beyond party lines, and both seemed to realize that 4 more years of no compromise between parties ain't going to work!!! Maybe the wrong two guys are at the head of their respective tickets????? Silly me, guess I just appreciate real people more then I do career politicians!!!! Style and image IMO have absolutely nothing to do with who is best suited to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency, what counts is their grasp of reality and an indication of how they would handle a given situation.

Maybe the write in vote should be Ryan and Biden or Biden and Ryan!!!!! The debate showed them to be eminently more qualified then the first names on their respective party tickets!!!!

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Ah yes, straight from the talking points of the RNC!!!!! .....................................what counts is their grasp of reality and an indication of how they would handle a given situation.

You used to be more thoughtful in these discussions. Laying off blame for the absolutely incompetent decisions (talk about grasping reality and handling given situations!) that left the Benghazi team open to murder isn't a DNC/NPR/White House talking point?

Question is this or are we living in a democracy ?

I guess I just don't need to concentrate on the "talking points" from the "talking heads" of the respective parties.... Benghazi was a tragedy, actually more like a tragedy of errors! Just one more place in the world that we are trying to ram our form of government down a countries throat and they rejected it..... These were diplomats in a hostile country, I doubt they thought there lives would be laying around eating bon-bons and checking out the local museums. It's a tragic loss of life, but no more tragic then the loss of life that goes on everyday in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, both the local population and our troops are having their lives wasted on a lost cause. Why is Benghazi the only point of interest when it comes to murder? Heck, we can't do a thing about the murder rate in our own country, how could this government (or any government) think the could control the loss of life in other countries?

IMO (and I don't need talking points to influence my opinion) this whole election is nothing but a contest to see who has the best spin people, has little to do with the issues that actually effect the lives of the average people right here in this country! I've still seen or heard nothing positive on this thread or in the campaign itself that is something I could latch onto as someone trying to improve the situation in this country! Hate to sound cold, but a few lives lost in Benghazi pales in comparison to the thousands of lives lost in the last decade in the Mideast. Again, I don't need any political party telling me what my priorities are, and how to interpret what is said by the candidates.

Thoughtful??? Just too damn fed up to be thoughtful!!!!! This whole political process has come down to what's best for me and my party and no longer has any consideration for the plight of the blue collar guy in the street.

I still can't vote for either of the candidates, I like the idea of a Ryan/Biden write in, but if not that then I'm back to deciding between Kilroy and Pat Paulsen! They both seem to be equally qualified with the candidates that the two parties have crammed down our throats!!!!

Maybe someday we'll go back to elections being decided by the quality of the individual running and not by who has the best spin on the latest talking point or who can entice the biggest bucks from "private donations"..... But that sure as heck won't happen this time around!!!! If either candidate was worth being thoughtful about, I might try it again.......

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

I guess I just don't need to concentrate on the "talking points" from the "talking heads" of the respective parties.... Benghazi was a tragedy, actually more like a tragedy of errors! Just one more place in the world that we are trying to ram our form of government down a countries throat and they rejected it..... These were diplomats in a hostile country, I doubt they thought there lives would be laying around eating bon-bons and checking out the local museums. It's a tragic loss of life, but no more tragic then the loss of life that goes on everyday in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, both the local population and our troops are having their lives wasted on a lost cause. Why is Benghazi the only point of interest when it comes to murder? Heck, we can't do a thing about the murder rate in our own country, how could this government (or any government) think the could control the loss of life in other countries?

There is a huge difference between troops in a combat zone and diplomats in dangerous city (you and I have both been in combat zones). And just in case any readers are thinking cheap shot thoughts, this isn't an endorsement of our soldiers being killed, and not valuing them less than ambassadors or assistants.

Soldiers are trained for combat, equipped for combat, expect combat, and are prepared daily for possible attacks. I'd be willing to bet that the commanders of the various units in or near combat zones were prepared, ESPECIALLY on the 9/11 anniversary, for something to happen. Diplomatic corp people are not trained, and armed for that sort of thing. They may (hopefully) have intelligence assets to warn them of potential attack, but need help from their higher ups to defend them or get them the hell out of there. As we learn more and more each day (hopefully it won't be buried for the sake of protecting the "guilty" parties) we find out that those guys in Benghazi expected something could happen. It appears there was plenty of correspondence where they asked for "home office" to do something for them. How much intel did we have? We don't know for sure, but if we had it why didn't we act on it? If we didn't have intel, why not? Have we disembowled the intelligence network to the point we're not getting enough to warrant taking the risks of having diplomats in a too dangerous area? If so, why weren't they pulled out? It looks like Al Queda was the responsible murderers. If so, were we wrong to assume that killing Bin Laden was sufficient to render them powerless? Or, were they still in existence, don't need Bin Laden to operate, and wanted to throw in our national face their ability to kill inspite of our government officials bragging about killing their "leader" at their political convention for a week? If those are just "talking points" and not valid questions about competent leadership and decision making then we're going to be paying some big penalties for short sightedness. These aren't partisan questions, these are citizen questions based on real potential problems and real outcomes. It's politcal posturing that's trying to take attention away from these important questions........................and that posturing should be condemned.

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

There is a huge difference between troops in a combat zone and diplomats in dangerous city (you and I have both been in combat zones). And just in case any readers are thinking cheap shot thoughts, this isn't an endorsement of our soldiers being killed, and not valuing them less than ambassadors or assistants.

Really??? No difference. Dead is dead. Be it civilian, diplomat, soldier, or whatever, dead is dead. As for the rest of the talking points, the usual discredit the incumbent stuff. Whichever party is in power the other side is going to do whatever they can to discredit whatever the Administration does! The Dems did it when Bush was in office, now the GOP does it when Obama is in office. Bush swore to get Bin Laden, never got it done. Obama got him, and the Republicans say he had nothing to do with it! Had it gone wrong, then of course it would have been all Obama's fault!

The stuff never changes, there's no truth, just spin! What's it matter anyway, they're all still dead, soldiers, civilians, and diplomats. No amount of spin will bring any of them back to life. I disdain the media, the political parties, and all involved to use the death of any American as a talking point to make their side look better. The correct spin seems to be much more important then the lives lost..... Truly a sad state of affairs in our country when the loss of human life becomes a posturing tool for the spin doctor's....