Thread: Short Oil Filter Application

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i have one short nipple one night to many beers and a encounter with a belt sander

Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

i have one short nipple one night to many beers and a encounter with a belt sander

Has that affected your love life much??????


I used to run the short Volvo filters on my 27 with no special adapter, it just screws onto the regular Ford adapter. I suspect it is because of what Mike said about being easier to turn on a sharp angle when installing and removing the filter, if the threaded part was shorter.

Don

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Has that affected your love life much??????

I used to run the short Volvo filters on my 27 with no special adapter, it just screws onto the regular Ford adapter. I suspect it is because of what Mike said about being easier to turn on a sharp angle when installing and removing the filter, if the threaded part was shorter.
Don

Originally Posted by Mike P

Just a guess, but I suspect that the shorter nipple is required for clearance to actually get the filter in and out.

I ran into this on my Cadillac swap a while back. Once the filter is in there is adequate clearance, however to install and remove the filter I had to shorten the nipple just a bit (to clear the sway bar in my case).

Originally Posted by IC2

Why would you need this? Sounds like someone might be using that super short (Volvo maybe??) filter - I'm just using the tried and proven Motorcraft FL300 with a 'standard' nipple:



EDIT - just looked - that WIX 51335 is the super shorty

Dave, with this "super shorty" filter, which is a Lotus OEM as I understand, I have just enough room to the Vega steering box to change the filter without jacking up the engine. A normal "short" filter will not even come close to fitting - it's either the super shorty or a remote filter.
Mike/Don, I had not thought about clearance to get the filter out, and that makes good sense. As I said, the comment came from a Sunbeam Tiger discussion, and who knows what the interference issues are with the SBF in that confined space. I've been scratching my head why the nipple length would really matter, and I think you guys have hit the nail on the head! And once again, Pat has made me cringe just a bit just thinking about contacting a belt sander with sensitive parts....

I'm sure Mike is right on about the nipple for clearence. We did a 5.0 G.T. motor into a 67 sunbeam a few years back and no matter what we tried a remote filter was the only way and we had a hell of a time getting nuff clearence on the adapter and hoses because of the headers.Also had a hell of a time finding nuff room under the bonnet to mount the filter.Butttttt that baby sure would scoot.I sure wouldn't wanted to drive it on a rainy day.

Well, today has been a learning experience. I could not get any definitive answer on the short nipple need, but it can only be a clearance issue. What I did get was an education on that super shorty filter, and why it is considered to be undesirable, especially on a healthy stroker motor. The Sunbeam Tiger crowd has some very knowledgable guys, and I communicated with three of them today, the last being an aeronautical engineer who restores Tigers. Bottom line, that little filter creates a situation where anytime the engine calls for more oil capacity it is simply not there, so the filter gets bypassed and I'm circulating unfiltered oil. The answer is a remote filter unit using a full size filter. Product Engineering makes a really nice engine adapter unit, and I'm looking for a comparable billet aluminum remote mount for a filter. Summit has a bunch, but most are cast aluminum which is not so desirable. Once I've selected components I'll be looking for the right mounting location....

Originally Posted by rspears

Bottom line, that little filter creates a situation where anytime the engine calls for more oil capacity it is simply not there, so the filter gets bypassed and I'm circulating unfiltered oil. The answer is a remote filter unit using a full size filter. Product Engineering makes a really nice engine adapter unit, and I'm looking for a comparable billet aluminum remote mount for a filter. Summit has a bunch, but most are cast aluminum which is not so desirable. Once I've selected components I'll be looking for the right mounting location....

OK, I'll bite..

1. Are you really turning high rpm's or more just about town driving?
2. What about that adapter that turns the filter mount 90's and use a full size filter?

Not questioning your motives, just curious.

I don't know if that guys theory holds any water (or oil ) in the real world, Roger. How much extra capacity can there be in that extra couple of inches? You figure, when you prefill a filter when changing it the thing only holds such a small amount and most of that is absorbed into the filter media. If there is an extra 4 oz in a longer one vs a short one, I would think that would not be enough storage capacity to even contribute anything.

When I swapped the 5.0 Ford into my old Jeep pickup I had to use that Volvo filter as the steering box was right there. I abused that thing regularly and towed trailers long distances at times with no oiling problems ever.

Don