Thread: Short Oil Filter Application
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07-06-2011 07:54 AM #1
Short Oil Filter Application
In a Sunbeam Tiger Owner's discussion there was talk about using a shorty filter instead of the hassles of a remote mounted filter, but they stated,
To use the short filters you will need to use a shorter 1 3/16" nipple (the threaded piece that screws into the block). Ford used to carry these. The part number was D7AZ-6890-B which superceeded to F1AZ-6890-B. I don't know if they still sell them.Roger
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07-06-2011 09:14 AM #2
Last edited by IC2; 07-06-2011 at 09:21 AM.
Dave W
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07-06-2011 09:17 AM #3
Just a guess, but I suspect that the shorter nipple is required for clearance to actually get the filter in and out.
I ran into this on my Cadillac swap a while back. Once the filter is in there is adequate clearance, however to install and remove the filter I had to shorten the nipple just a bit (to clear the sway bar in my case).I've NEVER seen a car come from the factory that couldn't be improved.....
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07-06-2011 09:24 AM #4
i have one short nipple one night to many beers and a encounter with a belt sanderIrish Diplomacy ..the ability to tell someone to go to Hell ,,So that they will look forward to to the trip
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07-06-2011 09:31 AM #5
Has that affected your love life much??????
I used to run the short Volvo filters on my 27 with no special adapter, it just screws onto the regular Ford adapter. I suspect it is because of what Mike said about being easier to turn on a sharp angle when installing and removing the filter, if the threaded part was shorter.
Don
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07-06-2011 11:35 AM #6
Dave, with this "super shorty" filter, which is a Lotus OEM as I understand, I have just enough room to the Vega steering box to change the filter without jacking up the engine. A normal "short" filter will not even come close to fitting - it's either the super shorty or a remote filter.
Mike/Don, I had not thought about clearance to get the filter out, and that makes good sense. As I said, the comment came from a Sunbeam Tiger discussion, and who knows what the interference issues are with the SBF in that confined space. I've been scratching my head why the nipple length would really matter, and I think you guys have hit the nail on the head! And once again, Pat has made me cringe just a bit just thinking about contacting a belt sander with sensitive parts....Roger
Enjoy the little things in life, and you may look back one day and realize that they were really the BIG things.
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07-06-2011 01:08 PM #7
I'm sure Mike is right on about the nipple for clearence. We did a 5.0 G.T. motor into a 67 sunbeam a few years back and no matter what we tried a remote filter was the only way and we had a hell of a time getting nuff clearence on the adapter and hoses because of the headers.Also had a hell of a time finding nuff room under the bonnet to mount the filter.Butttttt that baby sure would scoot.I sure wouldn't wanted to drive it on a rainy day.
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07-06-2011 02:50 PM #8
Well, today has been a learning experience. I could not get any definitive answer on the short nipple need, but it can only be a clearance issue. What I did get was an education on that super shorty filter, and why it is considered to be undesirable, especially on a healthy stroker motor. The Sunbeam Tiger crowd has some very knowledgable guys, and I communicated with three of them today, the last being an aeronautical engineer who restores Tigers. Bottom line, that little filter creates a situation where anytime the engine calls for more oil capacity it is simply not there, so the filter gets bypassed and I'm circulating unfiltered oil. The answer is a remote filter unit using a full size filter. Product Engineering makes a really nice engine adapter unit, and I'm looking for a comparable billet aluminum remote mount for a filter. Summit has a bunch, but most are cast aluminum which is not so desirable. Once I've selected components I'll be looking for the right mounting location....Roger
Enjoy the little things in life, and you may look back one day and realize that they were really the BIG things.
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07-07-2011 05:50 AM #9
I can hear the orange engine guys thinking now: Besides having to reverse the pan sump, and find hardware to shorten the water pump, you guys have to fiddle with oil filters too? HmmmmmmmmmYour Uncle Bob, Senior Geezer Curmudgeon
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07-07-2011 06:08 AM #10
Uncle Bob - we Blue Oval guys are up to the challenge. Those Bow Tie guys have it too easy and no challenge but the same cookbook the next guy has.
Mike - those Ford 90 degree adapters can work fine, but you might end up with still an awkward placing. I tried on instead of the 1" shorter FL300 and it didn't work/look right
Roger - the Hamburger filter mounts aren't cast but billet. That other company has a nice block adapter but no filter mount - surprising. If I have to 'advertise' a brand name, I want both the sameDave W
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07-07-2011 06:20 AM #11
I'll have to agree with ITYS, seems much ado about nothing, IMHO!
Even my 4x4 dodge pickup used a shorty filter and still went better than 200K miles and it was ABUSED by me and my friends.
Dave, sometimes form following function is my driver! Looks are in the eyes of the beholder, right?!?!
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07-09-2011 12:40 PM #12
Dave,
I looked at the Hamburger line but can't abide that red anodizing . I'm looking seriously at the Canton Racing Products pieces from Summit, but buying my AN fittings & hose locally from Star Performance once I see where I can make things fit, and what angles work best. The Canton Remote Filter Adapter is very similar to the one from Product Engineering, and they also have a remote filter mount, all in black anodized finish .
remote_filter_mounts.jpgremote_filter_adapters.jpgRoger
Enjoy the little things in life, and you may look back one day and realize that they were really the BIG things.
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07-07-2011 07:54 AM #13
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07-07-2011 09:21 AM #14
Your Uncle Bob, Senior Geezer Curmudgeon
It's much easier to promise someone a "free" ride on the wagon than to urge them to pull it.
Luck occurs when preparation and opportunity converge.
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07-09-2011 06:25 AM #15
I'm kinda late for this party but I ran a remote filter on my '37 w/302 for years. I used the oil resistant hoses w/clamps, etc. It didn't leak except one time when I blew a hose . Fortunately, it all happened near an Autozone so I coasted into their parking lot and bought the necessary stuff for a quick repair and continued on my way.
On my rebuild, I wanted to consider other options for the filter. The only shorty filter that is short enough to clear my R&P steering setup while still allowing room to put it on and take it off is the Volvo filter. I'm going to try it for a while (if I ever get the car done enough to fire it up!) and if I don't like it, I'll have some custom hoses made for the remote setup and put it back on.
Ok, now after 2 paragraphs of not saying much of anything, I feel kinda like how Roger described himself.....(using 50 words where only 10 are necessary) but at least I now get updates on yet another thread that interests me...."It is not much good thinking of a thing unless you think it out." - H.G. Wells
Is it going into a build, or making a trip to NM?
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