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Actually, the Pledge of Allegiance is to the flag of the United States.

Our form of government is a democracy...or it was last time I checked.

Other then that, don't really have a clue what your post means.....

Interesting, never knew the history of the Pledge of Allegiance...... Seems strange, just a quick tribute written by a Baptist Minister to be recited by children to show a bit of respect for the flag and the country it represents, and done it 15 seconds, could still today cause so much controversy....

Too bad the simple things couldn't have just remained simple..........

I think all these dang people need a hobby, why the heck don't they build a Hot Rod or something????

Sorry Dave, you got it wrong again. The United States is a Republic it is a Democracy as well but our form of Goverment is in fact a Republic.

This very fact is stated planly in Artical IV -- Section 4 of the Constitution. The quote ( and I have taken it directly from the Constitution) is credited to James Madison the fourth President and the man is is also credited with the writing of the Constitution, as well as the Bill Of Rights.

And I quote: Section 4 - Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

I'm pretty sure that the Constitution in calling "OUR" form of Gov't a Republic is correct.

RS

Which means what???? A Republic simply means the leader is an elected official and not a King or Queen with leadership passed down within a family of patriacrch's...

Your quote simply states that it shall be a Republican form of government, which means the officials are elected.....

Dave, OK Dave have it your way. If the Constitution or at least this Artical of the Constitution isn't plan enough for you, and the fact that the United States is taught to ever 1st grader that it is in fact a "Republic" . Have it your way. You can call our Republic any thing you want to. It fits in perfectly well with the way you think about most things I guess. And for certain this time you are WRONG, but thats cool with me.

RS

Originally Posted by Hombre259

Dave, OK Dave have it your way. If the Constitution or at least this Artical of the Constitution isn't plan enough for you, and the fact that the United States is taught to ever 1st grader that it is in fact a "Republic" . Have it your way. You can call our Republic any thing you want to. It fits in perfectly well with the way you think about most things I guess. And for certain this time you are WRONG, but thats cool with me.

RS

No........I didn't call it a Republic..... I said our form of government is a Democracy. You are (again) reading a whole lot into what I said.... All I said was that a Republic means it's leadership is elected, and not a monarchy.

Right and wrong seems to be a big deal with you.... Not me. I express opinions and don't keep score on right and wrong. Opinions are just that, opinions.... They are not, by definition, right or wrong...


Oh yeah.... My original correction was the definition of "Republic"-----and not for the phrase "Republican Form of Government"..... Apples to Oranges is a really tough discussion to maintain.....

Sorry Dave but no matter weather you are keeping score or not. You planly stated that our form of Goverment was a "Democracy" see your quote below
That would be INcorrect. It is not a Democracy it is a Republic. This simple FACT is taught in grade school man, ought to be right when you correct another poster like you did "firebird" here and on that other thread. Maybe he is keeping score, I just like to see things spoken about in a correct way.

And sense you mention it. You are correct in one of your statements. I do see things as "RIGHT" or "wrong" never did see those grey areas some talk about.

RS

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Actually, the Pledge of Allegiance is to the flag of the United States.

Our form of government is a democracy...or it was last time I checked.

Other then that, don't really have a clue what your post means.....

Whatever.....But Democracy is a bit more accurate... Republic has some unique applications. ie, the Republic of Islam, The People's Republic of China, the United Soviet Socialist's Republic, The People's Republic of Vietnam.......

I guess we must be looking at a different definition of Republic---the definition I go with means simply (again) the the leadership is elected and not a monarchy....\

Curious to know just what your definition of Republic is.....

Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural de·moc·ra·cies
Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos + -kratia -cracy
Date: 1576
1 a: government by the people ; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections


Main Entry: re·pub·lic
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈpə-blik\
Function: noun
Etymology: French république, from Middle French republique, from Latin respublica, from res thing, wealth + publica, feminine of publicus public — more at real, public
Date: 1604
1 a (1): a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c: a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic



This is the current definition of Republic and Democracy in the Webster's Dictionary. Thought I'd look them up, my recollection of grade school civics class is a bit fuzzy.......

look up dictatorship,jingoism,tyranny,totalitarian,socialism, becauses thats where this country is quickly headed.

Back to the subject....
I'd rather have a gun and not need it......than to need one and not have it.

Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

look up dictatorship,jingoism,tyranny,totalitarian,socialism, becauses thats where this country is quickly headed.

I guess I can't buy in to that line of thought, either. Socialism, maybe. Jury is still out on that one. Got to think that parts of Socialism would be ok, health care, education, and a few other things.... Just having to take the rest that goes with it would be tuff....

As for a dictatorship, ain't gonna happen. People in this country wouldn't ever let it happen, or at least not until after the 2nd Civil War....this one being the "Have's vs. the Have Not's" Though I certainly don't condone or endorse such a course of action, I could see it happening....if all the fringe elements and extremists on either end would ever get together and form 2 well organized factions......

But then if we look at the reality of the day, nobody ever takes any action anymore, they're all too busy blaming each other for the ills of the world to do anything positive or negative......

I guess about all I see happening is nothing...we'll just continue to blunder along. A Democracy isn't perfect, but it'll have to do until something better comes along......

Originally Posted by DennyW

This will clear it all up. We are a Republic, by what is said in this: I would post it all, but Brent doesn't allow that much room on here...

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/Am...ts/demrep.html

Hardly a universally accepted definition though Denny..... Merely another opinion as expressed by Lerex for reasons of pursuing their own agenda, isn't it?????

Originally Posted by techinspector1

Back to the subject....
I'd rather have a gun and not need it......than to need one and not have it.

I have lots of guns and don't use them.... But the listing will sure look good on the estate sale, huh????? Which do ya suppose will draw more $$$$$$, guns and ammo or Hot Rods and parts??????

Originally Posted by DennyW

I don't think you read all of it through maybe...How ever, all that I have looked up, says The United States is Republic. Vietnam is communism, not republic.

In the opinion of Lerex, it would be called a Republic.... But then what is their reason for wanting to call it that??? 77 was implying that the minority voice in a Republic is more important then in a Democracy, yet a Democracy is the rule of the majority while defending the rights of the minority......

And, going by Webster's definition, we're back to the old thing that a Republic simply means that it's elected officials and not a monarchy.

And why the heck does any of it matter???? I said then and still don't have a clue what 77 meant by his statement.... Then Hombre jumps in, you jump in, and none of us still know what the heck 77 meant.

So, you guys argue. That's about all that seems to be done about any of the problems in this country is just a lot of talk. No action. Nothing is going to change until people take some action. Not gun control law, not the rights of the minority, not the rule of the majority, and certainly not the economy.

I'll still stay with the old "All we are saying, is give peace a chance" and other such outdated slogans. It would work, but it's never been given a chance.... To many power hungry, greedy people trying to run things. Now it seems to be in vogue that everyone should have a gun so they'll be "safe" when the shooting starts.....When's it gonna start and who's gonna start it???? Think I'll call in sick that day. Never have seen where a bunch of shooting accomplishes anything other then a lot of people get killed, and usually the innocents outnumber the guilties when they do the body count..... Seems someday we (as a country) would learn that, but I guess we never will...

So, now we're back to the original thread. Most everybody but me likes guns and wants to have one with them or nearby at all times----"don't leave home without it"----

So anyway, watch where you shoot!!!!! Not all of us want to be involved when the bang, bang shoot-em-up action starts.... Leave me out of it, tried it once and it never did change a dang thing. Think I'll just stay in the garage and work on Hot Rods til everybody runs out of bullets......

It's POSSIBLE, just possible that there is a solution to problems besides violence....Try it sometime, it could be contagious.......