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Ford2custom,

Man I just hate hearing a story like that, but you are right of course all thieves don't come in the dark of night. Hope you have a plan to recover your money. But if you are not able to do that remember "Revenge is a dish best served cold!!"

Also hind sight is always 20/20 and those of us reading this story all have advantage of hind sight. Its easy for me to set here and see some of the stuff you did wrong as well, after all I didn't loose any of "Your" money. The one thing you will always take from this is a little wisdom I am sure you will do that. But damn Buddy it was an expensive lesson......

Good Luck and next time "TRUST" but "VERIFY"

Roland

I have to admit it. My liberal friends were right.

They told me if I voted for McCain, the nation's Hope would deteriorate,
and sure enough there has been a 20 point drop in the Consumer Confidence
Index since the election, reaching a lower point than any time during the
Bush administration.

They told me if I voted for McCain, the US would become more deeply
embroiled in the Middle East, and sure enough thousands of additional
troops are scheduled to be deployed into Afghanistan.

They told me if I voted for McCain, that the economy would get worse and
sure enough unemployment is approaching 8.8% and the new stimulus packages
implemented recently have sent the stock market lower than at any time
since 9-11.

They told me if I voted for McCain, we would see more "crooks" in high
ranking positions in Federal government and sure enough, several recent
cabinet nominees and Senate appointments revealed resumes of bribery and
tax fraud.

Well I ignored my Democrat friends in November and voted for McCain.
And they were right... all of their predictions have come true.

Viking,

Ironic, Isn't it !!

Hate to burst your rah rah Republican stuff, but there ain't nobody or no party could get this economic mess and all the other things you mentioned straightened out in 60 days!!!! Doubt we'll see much more then a leveling off and perhaps some upwards trends in much less then 2 years..... Ain't nobody, Obama, McCain, or anyone else going to just snap their fingers ain't fix things.....Gotta remember, we spent a couple decades getting in this mess.

And it would seem we're already back to the same old crap...Republicans blame the Democrats, Democrats blame the Republicans, the Independants blame everybody.... Nobody in politics seems to be able to accomplish anything anymore other then just casting blame....

Isn't part of this "great Democracy" to be to back your man, but if he should lose then we should all be working towards the greater good and not whining and doing the sour grapes crap???? Right or wrong, the MAJORITY of the voters chose Obama..... In a Democracy, doesn't the majority rule and wouldn't it be part of our civic duty to try to help improve things and not just sit back and criticize????

If you aren't part of the solution, then you must be part of the problem.......

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Hate to burst your rah rah Republican stuff, but there ain't nobody or no party could get this economic mess and all the other things you mentioned straightened out in 60 days!!!! Doubt we'll see much more then a leveling off and perhaps some upwards trends in much less then 2 years..... Ain't nobody, Obama, McCain, or anyone else going to just snap their fingers ain't fix things.....Gotta remember, we spent a couple decades getting in this mess.

And it would seem we're already back to the same old crap...Republicans blame the Democrats, Democrats blame the Republicans, the Independants blame everybody.... Nobody in politics seems to be able to accomplish anything anymore other then just casting blame....

Isn't part of this "great Democracy" to be to back your man, but if he should lose then we should all be working towards the greater good and not whining and doing the sour grapes crap???? Right or wrong, the MAJORITY of the voters chose Obama..... In a Democracy, doesn't the majority rule and wouldn't it be part of our civic duty to try to help improve things and not just sit back and criticize????

If you aren't part of the solution, then you must be part of the problem.......

Dave, I’ve heard you talk about politics and you seem to have knowledge that a lot of people lack. That being said I notice you have a skill to make a living, several times I’ve seen you write you only have to walk out your back door not too far to do your job for survival. There are a lot of people like you also that have a trade, I had one myself and made a decent living until I got busted up pretty bad. The people that do not have trades, or specialty jobs are hurting and I don’t know how they will be able to make it as before. Today I saw that 13 million people are out of work 8.8% unemployed. This Country does not make products anymore where people can work like in the past without having to have a skill. I hope your right about making a come back but I think China has pretty much put a damper on what this Country will make in the future.

Richard

Originally Posted by ford2custom

Dave, I’ve heard you talk about politics and you seem to have knowledge that a lot of people lack. That being said I notice you have a skill to make a living, several times I’ve seen you write you only have to walk out your back door not too far to do your job for survival. There are a lot of people like you also that have a trade, I had one myself and made a decent living until I got busted up pretty bad. The people that do not have trades, or specialty jobs are hurting and I don’t know how they will be able to make it as before. Today I saw that 13 million people are out of work 8.8% unemployed. This Country does not make products anymore where people can work like in the past without having to have a skill. I hope your right about making a come back but I think China has pretty much put a damper on what this Country will make in the future.

Richard

Sorry, I just can't buy into the doom and gloom stuff.... I too am busted up---since 1971 far as that goes... No big deal, I just had to learn to do some things differntly, improvise a bit here and there, and not be ashamed to ask for help when I need it...

Unemployment is high...but we've both seen it in double digits... We've had a few discussions about the high unemployment. Of course it's bad, but IMO it's also an eye opener for some of the young-uns. No longer is it enough to just show up for work and expect to be paid well and retained....You dang well better do the job you were hired to do in a manner it is expected to be done or hit the door---there's lots of others willing to do the job.... Maybe some of these folks will learn how important it is to do the work you're paid to do.... Ain't no free rides no more!!!!!

All of my skills were either self taught, or learned by woking (often for free) on cars for other builders and racers!!!! Anyone can learn skills and a trade....but you might not make $30K a year while you learn.... Since I took over managing a shop for a friend after his help robbed him blind I've had the opportunity to talk with a lot of job applicants....For the most part it was depressing talking to them and listening to their expectations of what a job should be.... I've had them tell me that they just want to paint--they don't like to do body work...and, they want to learn how to build Hot Rods, but they'd have to make $18.00 an hour while they learn.....

One young fella who was a part time wrecker driver when I took over is now learning a lot of basic fabrication skills, still driving the wrecker, learning body work, shooting some primer on small parts, sweeping the floor, running errands and all sorts of other trivial tasks....He's also averaging 45 hours a week, plus some call outs for wrecker calls. He's going to be successful because he's willing to learn, and willing to start at the bottom and work his way up. He's a good learner, and wants to know the "why" as well as the "how" of doing tasks....

My glass is always half full, I guess. I never have been real good at whining and complaining. When I mess up, I take the responsibility for the mistake and fix it on my own time. I don't mind donating a few hours of work for the good of the shop... It's the things it takes in these ecomomic conditions to stay alive in buisness. The days of asking an employer, "What's in it for me?" are over. The successful people in today's environment are going to be task oriented and will be intelligent enough to realize that what is good for the company is good for them....

As for the economy improving, I see it beginning with small businesses. It's much easier for a small company to change direction and adept to changing conditions. IMO, the large corporations and all the different levels of management are going to be slow in changing their business practices because so many things have to be changed. For the most part, Joe Blow who is just one of thousands of employees fails to see how his job effects the livlihood of the company and he's just there for the paycheck.... But companies with a dozen or less employees are just the opposite. Everyone who wants to keep his job in a small company will take a lot of pride in what he does and is constantly trying to improve. He's also more apt to learn how efficiency in his job effects the overall success of the company.

I'm just babbling, but IMO small business will be the one's to help make the necessary changes and will also be the one's first in line for the rewards while the rest of the business world catches up!!!! We're back to the days of having to work for what you take home, and you'd better be willing to do a bit extra!!! A positive attitude, willingness to learn, accepting responsibility, doing a little extra, and doing what's best for the shop and not necessarily for you are again essential qualities for successful people. Whining, complaining, and blaming others for your own misfortune probably work good at the unemployment office......but not in a successful business....

and finally, maybe doing without for awhile might make people appreciate what they have a bit more....and also make them realize that there just ain't no free rides!!!!!!

[QUOTE=Dave Severson;347129Isn't part of this "great Democracy" to be to back your man, but if he should lose then we should all be working towards the greater good and not whining and doing the sour grapes crap???? Right or wrong, the MAJORITY of the voters chose Obama..... In a Democracy, doesn't the majority rule and wouldn't it be part of our civic duty to try to help improve things and not just sit back and criticize????

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BLOODY FREAKING HELL DAMMIT TO HELL AND BACK!

THIS IS NOT A FREAKING DEMOCRACY!

Try saying the pledge of aliegance ( to America ) once in a while... I say it once a month at my VFW meeting.

I PLEDGE ALIEGANCE TO FLAG AND TO THE

R E P U B L I C

FOR WHICH IT STANDS...


IT'S A REPUBLIC. I ONLY WISH YOU AND ROSIE O FREAKING DONNEL COULD FIGURE IT OUT!!!

Actually, the Pledge of Allegiance is to the flag of the United States.

Our form of government is a democracy...or it was last time I checked.

Other then that, don't really have a clue what your post means.....

Sorry Dave, you got it wrong again. The United States is a Republic it is a Democracy as well but our form of Goverment is in fact a Republic.

This very fact is stated planly in Artical IV -- Section 4 of the Constitution. The quote ( and I have taken it directly from the Constitution) is credited to James Madison the fourth President and the man is is also credited with the writing of the Constitution, as well as the Bill Of Rights.

And I quote: Section 4 - Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

I'm pretty sure that the Constitution in calling "OUR" form of Gov't a Republic is correct.

RS

Sorry Dave but no matter weather you are keeping score or not. You planly stated that our form of Goverment was a "Democracy" see your quote below
That would be INcorrect. It is not a Democracy it is a Republic. This simple FACT is taught in grade school man, ought to be right when you correct another poster like you did "firebird" here and on that other thread. Maybe he is keeping score, I just like to see things spoken about in a correct way.

And sense you mention it. You are correct in one of your statements. I do see things as "RIGHT" or "wrong" never did see those grey areas some talk about.

RS

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Actually, the Pledge of Allegiance is to the flag of the United States.

Our form of government is a democracy...or it was last time I checked.

Other then that, don't really have a clue what your post means.....

Interesting, never knew the history of the Pledge of Allegiance...... Seems strange, just a quick tribute written by a Baptist Minister to be recited by children to show a bit of respect for the flag and the country it represents, and done it 15 seconds, could still today cause so much controversy....

Too bad the simple things couldn't have just remained simple..........

I think all these dang people need a hobby, why the heck don't they build a Hot Rod or something????

Which means what???? A Republic simply means the leader is an elected official and not a King or Queen with leadership passed down within a family of patriacrch's...

Your quote simply states that it shall be a Republican form of government, which means the officials are elected.....

Dave, OK Dave have it your way. If the Constitution or at least this Artical of the Constitution isn't plan enough for you, and the fact that the United States is taught to ever 1st grader that it is in fact a "Republic" . Have it your way. You can call our Republic any thing you want to. It fits in perfectly well with the way you think about most things I guess. And for certain this time you are WRONG, but thats cool with me.

RS

Originally Posted by Hombre259

Dave, OK Dave have it your way. If the Constitution or at least this Artical of the Constitution isn't plan enough for you, and the fact that the United States is taught to ever 1st grader that it is in fact a "Republic" . Have it your way. You can call our Republic any thing you want to. It fits in perfectly well with the way you think about most things I guess. And for certain this time you are WRONG, but thats cool with me.

RS

No........I didn't call it a Republic..... I said our form of government is a Democracy. You are (again) reading a whole lot into what I said.... All I said was that a Republic means it's leadership is elected, and not a monarchy.

Right and wrong seems to be a big deal with you.... Not me. I express opinions and don't keep score on right and wrong. Opinions are just that, opinions.... They are not, by definition, right or wrong...


Oh yeah.... My original correction was the definition of "Republic"-----and not for the phrase "Republican Form of Government"..... Apples to Oranges is a really tough discussion to maintain.....

Whatever.....But Democracy is a bit more accurate... Republic has some unique applications. ie, the Republic of Islam, The People's Republic of China, the United Soviet Socialist's Republic, The People's Republic of Vietnam.......

I guess we must be looking at a different definition of Republic---the definition I go with means simply (again) the the leadership is elected and not a monarchy....\

Curious to know just what your definition of Republic is.....