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What is the fascination with guns lately, anyway???? Home defense my butt!!!! Should be an intelligence test to make sure the person buying the gun is smarter then gun!!!! What a bunch of crap......

NO, The load of crap is the libereal "FOOLS" who believe that banning guns will ban guns. Or that banning guns will automatically solve all of the problems of a society based on freedom, and a Constitution that "protects" the right of the "PEOPLE" to keep and bear arms if that is there desire.

I was very sorry to hear of the loss of your young friend Dave, VERY Sorry!! But to blame the gun for his death is the libereal misguided way of those who are really interested in telling us all what to do. You sir are intitled to any opinion you wish to have, on gun control or any other issue. You have just as much right to be wrong as you wish. On this issue you are wrong plan and simple, of course thats only my opinion but you don't begridge me an opinion do you???

Roland

dave, guns dont kill people the moron with the gun does. take guns away ok, criminals will be the only ones with guns, the laws sure as hell dont stop them now does it? ak 47's are m-16's are plentiful to gangs and crime lords now arent they????? taking guns away takes away from me or soemone else who has one in there house to protect there family and property nothing wrong with protecting what you own, and your family.


now if you guys want to watch a video WATCH THIS ONE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA

I agree with Dave, no need for iron, a couple of years ago, my wife and I
went out to eat, when we were getting seated next to some guys who thought they were going to be cool, couple of them made a comment
about not to sit specos next them, (in spanish)I told my wife to wait in the car for me,I asked those two if they had problem with we could go out side
and we talk so you want to dance speco,by this time the manager who
heard everything was on the phone the cops,,buy the time they arrived, dance was over..a little sort on the side but I can still dance at 60,

Originally Posted by renu36

I agree with Dave, no need for iron, a couple of years ago, my wife and I
went out to eat, when we were getting seated next to some guys who thought they were going to be cool, couple of them made a comment
about not to sit specos next them, (in spanish)I told my wife to wait in the car for me,I asked those two if they had problem with we could go out side
and we talk so you want to dance speco,by this time the manager who
heard everything was on the phone the cops,,buy the time they arrived, dance was over..a little sort on the side but I can still dance at 60,

Good thing you don't own any Guns ! With how easy you go to Blows ? You could have Shot some one ? But if some one calls me out to Dance . And I have to get up when I am Eating . That would not be a Good thing to do Next time just get up real nice and move to another Seat .

thank god i live in mississippi...even our cars are considered an extention of our home and carrying a gun in your car is legal without a permit...of course we were raised with guns from children and respect them...Yes, we are hunters...No not for trophys but for food...not because we would starve, but because we like eating bambi and rabbit, wild hog and wild turkey...etc...yes even with bow and arrows...if you dont like the gun laws...move your A$$ to England...some sorry SOB tries steal what i've worked my whole life for and i catch him...it will be his last robbery...

peace

and god bless

I am sorry for the loss of a friend Dave. Had I known I would not have posted this. The point of the video is that if they outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns, and the honest people will all be sitting ducks. I was 18 years old in 1979 when my brother in law was gunned down, 4 shots to the back with a .357 magnum. Even as I watched him take his last breath, still to this very day I never blamed the gun, just the killer that shot him. Ironicly enough, the guy who shot him gets out of prison this year. Sorry again if this offended anyone.

Thought exercise: Is an intruder lying dead on your front porch with a baseball bat sized crush in his skull any less dead than the one with a 9mm slug from your Glock 17 in his heart? Maybe it's time to launch a campaign against the NBBA (National Baseball Bat Association).

Old phrases become old phrases for a reason, for example: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

A lot of well intentioned people can make impassioned pleas for their ideas, and often those ideas will work...................to a point. Recognizing where that point is is the challenge. Blanket notions like "give peace a chance" are fine if you're dealing with rational people on the other side of the equation. But if they're not rational, how prepared are you to up the ante for self preservation sake? Are you a survivor or are you satisfied to be food for the predator?

Some of you, probably from more rural areas, remember a time, be it yours or one generation earlier, when kids would carry a rifle to and from school. Most often they were called squirrel rifles/guns. Not real common, but not uncommon either. Nobody worried about mass murder in the gymnasium because they had faith in the rational behavior of the gun possessor. Today a kid can't even take a nail file to school, it's controlled under a philosophy of "Zero tolerance". If you think about it that's sort of an odd oxymoronic statement. We've become intolerant of inanimate objects, while becoming more tolerant of bad behavior. Responsibility has been defined down so that irresponsibility is to be tolerated because "it's not their fault". Some of us would argue it's that supposedly "growing everyday" crowd who are most in favor of gun control who are the leading proponents of ever decreasing anti-social behavior control. They're often the same people who demonize portions of our society as "greedy". They indoctrinate the comparatively lower socio-economic level folks with the notion that the “more successful” people don't really "earn" what they've got. They will often claim the so called “wealthy” took it away from the “less fortunate”. In order to be fair it's necessary to "level the playing field". In other words take (rather than earn) from one to give to another. Of course, unintentionally I'm sure, what that fosters is the consequence that those who receive the "freebie" subliminally develop the attitude that they can take whatever they want from whomever they believe has it and didn't earn it. In their mind they're just "taking back" or “leveling the playing field”.

On the one hand the rapidly increasing sales of guns might be distressing. I would hope that all of those "newbies" take the time to join the NRA, take classes in proper gun handling, and never have to shoot at anything more menacing than a paper silhouette. But what this trend is is really another poll, much like an election. People are expressing a vision that our constitution has been turned upside down. It was originally written to protect the citizens from oppressive government with phrase that begin with ”Congress shall make no law......". With each passing year it's clear that too many of us have let the politicians turn that around. We get legislation like the so called "McCain-Feingold" act that restricts political free speech. Limbaugh was brought up earlier as if he's a threat. Yet, even as big a megaphone as he has, he's still only a private citizen with no ability to force his views on anyone by use, or misuse, of the law. If you don't like what he says turn the dial. But those that rail against him don't seem to have any problem with a campaign designed to discredit and shut those dissenting opinions down being run FROM THE WHITE HOUSE! Another example, Congress votes one week to use punitive taxes to take back bonus money they had just approved a week or two prior. They use some weasel words to try to avoid violating the ‘No bills of attainder” clause in the Constitution, but their intent is all too evident. Target individual citizens for political gain. I’ve gone on in the past about the ever increasing erosion of private property rights so won't keep whizzing into the wind here. It's just that those who have been legal gun owners, and those who recently have been joining their ranks, are voting by their purchases. This is a voting poll that can't be manipulated by favored groups like ACORN who promote voter fraud, or by manipulative politicians who gerrymander districts to manipulate voting blocs or who diddle with the census for the same purposes. Well, yet anyway.

Originally Posted by Evolvo

Dave Severson,
Thank you very much for your well thought out and intelligent response to the gun lovers on this site. You have my respect.
Again, thank you!!

You're welcome.. Guess my views aren't real poplular, but nevertheless, they're mine and I'll stick to 'em....

Dave wrote:

You're welcome.. Guess my views aren't real poplular, but nevertheless, they're mine and I'll stick to 'em....

That's what we like about you Dave! Wishy washy people are not as well respected as straight shooters. (no pun intended)

...FrancisThe best argument for keeping our guns was on a ty interview with a ww2 Japanse admiral. he had a large number of subs of the coast of cali. and was why he didn't come ashore. His responce was to many guns in america we couldn't contend with that..Francis

The best argument for keeping our guns was on a tv enterview recently. A ww2 Japense admiral had a large fleet of the coast of cali. and was asked why he didn't invade. His responce was so many guns in America they knew that would be suicide and would prove only how futile it was to attack the US...Francis

In reading all of Dave's comment I can't help but think there are some, like myself, that had the great responsibilty to help defend the USA. and will listen with the respect, due another human being. I was rised with guns and hunting for food and sport. I have weapons under lock and key ,unless I am using them for target practice .After my tours of duty overseas ,and the real hunting there .I don't want to hunt now, I don't think we need fully automatic weapons for home use .I don't agree with all of Dave's comment's ,but he's a lot closer to the truth than the trash running the NRA today J.

How many people do you know that has an automatic weapon? I sure dont know anyone.....it takes a $1000 BTAF tax stamp to possess one.

The problem is that the anti gun lobby has taken anew to ban any "semi-automatic" gun that looks like an "assault weapon" regardless of its rate of fire. People dont realize that the military .223 and the NATO equivalent were not specifically chosen for their killing power...their weight played a large part of the decision so the GI could carry more ammo.

The anti-gun tactics now are to ban all guns that have a "Detachable Magazine" using the rationale that if the magazine is removable, you can stick a bigger magazine in. Watch the news.....the press always says something like an "assault rifle" or "spraying bullets" or "automatic fire". Those dimwits have never tried pulling the trigger 20 or 30 times in rapid succession and tried to hit anything.

There used to be a statistic that the average gun fight involving a law enforcement person was over after something like 4.x shots were fired....dont know if such is still true but the guy firing a full auto M16 with two magazines taped together is essentially movie stuff. There are the drug guys in Mexico who have stolen or illegal autos but here in the USA, a full auto used in crime is a real rarity.


mike in tucson

Originally Posted by robot

How many people do you know that has an automatic weapon? I sure dont know anyone.....it takes a $1000 BTAF tax stamp to possess one.

The problem is that the anti gun lobby has taken anew to ban any "semi-automatic" gun that looks like an "assault weapon" regardless of its rate of fire. People dont realize that the military .223 and the NATO equivalent were not specifically chosen for their killing power...their weight played a large part of the decision so the GI could carry more ammo.

The anti-gun tactics now are to ban all guns that have a "Detachable Magazine" using the rationale that if the magazine is removable, you can stick a bigger magazine in. Watch the news.....the press always says something like an "assault rifle" or "spraying bullets" or "automatic fire". Those dimwits have never tried pulling the trigger 20 or 30 times in rapid succession and tried to hit anything.

There used to be a statistic that the average gun fight involving a law enforcement person was over after something like 4.x shots were fired....dont know if such is still true but the guy firing a full auto M16 with two magazines taped together is essentially movie stuff. There are the drug guys in Mexico who have stolen or illegal autos but here in the USA, a full auto used in crime is a real rarity.


mike in tucson

dont forget the brit 303 has a detachable magazine, yesh thats an assualt rifle