Thread: 2nd Amendment Affirmed

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In this day and age, you don't have to be in the wrong place. The wrong place and wrong people will come to you. There was a time when home invasions were rarely heard of, today it has become more frequent, even in the best of neighborhoods.

One of the reasons the police like to use pump riot guns is for the recognition they get when they load a round into the chamber, crowds tend to move aside and back off. It's a sound thing.

Originally Posted by mopar34

In this day and age, you don't have to be in the wrong place. The wrong place and wrong people will come to you. There was a time when home invasions were rarely heard of, today it has become more frequent, even in the best of neighborhoods.

One of the reasons the police like to use pump riot guns is for the recognition they get when they load a round into the chamber, crowds tend to move aside and back off. It's a sound thing.

I was going to say the same earlier, its seems today there are to many thinking they can just take what they want including interring your house.... And if your looking for the fear factor, nothing like loading a round into a AK 47 " pistol grip" with a 50 round mag....LOL

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

19" is legal in South Dakota. by sawed off, I meant not using a 30" full choke barrell....

Guess my point is that I just hate to see this country go to the extreme that everybody is carrying a pistol, and feels they have the right to shoot anyone that threatens them.... Do you really want to kill someone instead of giving up a few bucks out of your wallet and a cheap watch from WalMart???

Talk to a cop, or an FBI agent, or anyone in law enforcement. Ask them their opinion of citizens carrying a concealed weapon....

Is it really necessary? Hunting, target shooting, self defense in your home, got no problem with any of that... But do you really want to think that everyone you see on the street, on the sidewalk, in the mall, or anywhere else is carrying a gun??? There's plenty of nuts in this world...and we all know how worthless the background checks are, and how easy it is to by a gun other then in a retail store... So some guy has an argument with his wife, puts his gun in his shoulder holster, goes to the bar and has a few and is now out in the public domain just begging someone to pick a fight or cross his path..... One life wasted because someone is exercising their alleged right to carry a concealed weapon is one too many........

I'm for protecting my home, if it gets to that, but on the street, I'm with you Dave, if they are crazy enough to pull a gun in a public place, they are crazy enough to shoot, so I have no problem giving them the car keys or wallet, but if they are breaking into my home, and I have time(this is very important), I will defend my house and loved ones. I don't have any wish to kill anyone, but I also have no wish for some psycho to rape my wife while I'm helpless to do anything about it. It's a tuff call. I agree if we all start carrying guns everywhere we go, then it's going to get scarier than it already is now. And like you, Dave, I avoid places that are dangerous in the first place! I just hate to see us lose are rights to bear arms, because some gun control idiot thinks it will prevent crime. I believe in the right of choice to bear arm or not. Very sensitive issue. I have friends that have concealed weapons permits, but I don't. Personal choice, that's all. I know you war veterans and police force personel out there probably have some very strong issues about this thread and I respect you, and thank you for the sacrafices you make to keep us all free and safe.

My 12 year old daughter is visiting me for the summer. We had a thunder storm and I after a while I woke up and looked in on her, she wasn't in her bed. I looked around the house and found her sleeping on the floor next to my bed.
I'm sure glad I don't sleep with a pistol and a fidgety mentality about invasion.
I guess we can all come up with a scenario to substantiate our position.

Originally Posted by BigTruckDriver

No single barrel, maybe a double barrel!!!!!.... I had to use mine, single shot, and I tell you it was scary having to reload in the middle of it. If this guy had decided to return fire I would of been out of luck.But for your house a shot gun is best , it will take out everything down a hall way and probably hit every square inch of your front door. Another good reason is the bird shot does not pass through walls as easily and hit other family memebers. Using a AK or some thing like that you will hit your neighbors house and their neighbors also...

And for those that say " I CHOOSE TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE PLACES SO I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT LIKE YALL DO" . I wonder if those students and teachers said the same thing when the crap hit the fan on school campus. Truth is you dont know when it will happen or where ,and yes it could even happen in your nice little town......

When they say 19" barrel , does this include the shot chamber? 12 gauge for instance, does the 19" start after the shell area or is the shell area included?

So, to be real safe the kids on campus should carry guns too!!!!!

Includes the shot chamber.

Your logic fails to convince me that carrying a concealed weapon is necessary... and that's what this discussion was about....


BTW--The Supreme Court decision only said that a total BAN was wrong, and this applied to the District of Columbia only.... In Justice Scalia opinion that he wrote representing the majority of the justice he states cleary that a total ban is wrong, but that regulations concerning concealed weapons are still constitutional.... Hardly a total license for everyone to be able to carry a concealed weapon, State regulations still apply...

This was the first 2nd Amendment case the Supreme Court has agreed to hear in the last 70 years, don't expect more to be heard anytime soon.... Not quite the total victory some would seem to think it is... Reading through some of the posts on here, it would appear that most do not realize the limited scope of the Supreme Court ruling..... Hardly a total abolishment of gun control regulations, might not want to start carrying that full automatic anything down a public street just yet!!!!!

This thread has been getting stupid for a long time. Just because someone decides to carry a gun does not mean;they are looking for a fight, they are tooscared to shoot if needed, they frequent bad places just because they feel empowered, or that they are paranoid. The people who take the time to get the training are not the people you need to worry about. As all studies have shown the states who have carry laws have seen a reduction in crime.

As for the police and military being against carry law's, guess who pushed me to get mine, a former special forces current police sgt. His chief pushed hard for the law to be passed. Why? Because the police cannot be everywhere to protect everyone, and a law abiding citizen is just that.

The second amendment ruling did nothing to change the way things for most of us right now. It did change for places like D.C. where they have one of the highest crime rates, and weren't allowed to own guns.

Willowbilly,if you ever do have a gun beside your bed I hope you will also have a good flashlight to identify a threat before shooting. Did I learn that in training no it's just common sense.

Ron

Originally Posted by Ron B.

As all studies have shown the states who have carry laws have seen a reduction in crime.

Ron

Wondering if you could site some of these studies???... Everybody keeps referring to them I'd like to see what the actual statistics are and who did the study.... As we all know, statistics can be manipulated to say most anything, usually depends on who has commissioned the research......

I am so happy to see so many here pro gun it is obvious that our nation is stronger for it. Back in the day we were called a nation of riflemen and the military loved it , it made thier job easy.One post mentioned how easy it would be to make a crude gun with just a few tools. I have been a muzzleloader builder(Daniel Boon style gun for those who dont know the term) and it aint rocket science. Francis

Originally Posted by Ron B.

This thread has been getting stupid for a long time. Just because someone decides to carry a gun does not mean;they are looking for a fight, they are tooscared to shoot if needed, they frequent bad places just because they feel empowered, or that they are paranoid. The people who take the time to get the training are not the people you need to worry about. As all studies have shown the states who have carry laws have seen a reduction in crime.

As for the police and military being against carry law's, guess who pushed me to get mine, a former special forces current police sgt. His chief pushed hard for the law to be passed. Why? Because the police cannot be everywhere to protect everyone, and a law abiding citizen is just that.

The second amendment ruling did nothing to change the way things for most of us right now. It did change for places like D.C. where they have one of the highest crime rates, and weren't allowed to own guns.

Willowbilly,if you ever do have a gun beside your bed I hope you will also have a good flashlight to identify a threat before shooting. Did I learn that in training no it's just common sense.

Ron

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this was getting ridiculous. I have been biting my tongue from the stupid logic that has been posted by the same people that I thought in the past had some good ideas and a sense of humor. I won’t go into details all you have to do is go back through the previous post.

Dave,

I consider you a friend - at least one of the on-line type, so please don't take this as a slam on your opinion. It's just a different view.

The disagreement I have with most of your posts on this topic lies in the fact that they seem to embrace the "wild west" scenario. That is, if people start carrying concealed weapons, the country will erupt in a new OK Corral shootout pretty much every weekend. People will be out looking for trouble.

The fact, at least so far, is that concealed carry has been in effect in many states for quite a few years, and the "wild west" just hasn't happened. Also, the folks who go to the trouble and expense to obtain a CCW permit typically aren't the rabble rousers that the mayors of DC and Chicago think we are.

That being said, I respect your opinion, but I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it.

Dave wrote:

Your logic fails to convince me that carrying a concealed weapon is necessary

Actually to a degree, I agree with you Dave, I am unconvinced that everyone who wants to carry a concealed weapon should be able to do so. You never know when someone in that position may just snap and you might be standing in front of them. Carrying any weapon in public should be controlled. Not controlled like those tight asses in Maryland where no one gets a license unless you have already been shot at or hit on several occasions, but controlled by a impartial group, who understand and who are ready to support citizens who have a true need, and who are mentally balanced. Not everybody should be able to so, however, those with genuine justification should be given the opportunity. It might actually save a life or two.

I personally favor "open carry" over "concealed carry". I prefer to know, rather than be surprised. And I truly do not like surprises when I am unprepared for them.

I want to reply one more time, then I'm done. Where I live, you can't just go down a get a CCW. You have to have and prove their may be a reason you could be a target for violence. The only reason my wife and I have one is because she owns a jewelry store. At times I will have hundreds of thousand of dollars worth of diamonds on me from the jewelry district in L.A. or cash going to the bank for deposits. We buy gold bullion for investors, pounds of it, we need immediate protection. So to think you can go s
down to the sheriffs office and get a CCW license without bank deposit proof and tax statements and letters from surrounding business and a thorough back round check and schooling and.....kinda see what it takes?
Ken

You never know when someone in that position may just snap and you might be standing in front of them.

Mopar, that's a repeat of the "wild west" theory. See above.

Originally Posted by mopar34

I personally favor "open carry" over "concealed carry". I prefer to know, rather than be surprised. And I truly do not like surprises when I am unprepared for them.

Talk about irony, In Connecticut, the only pistol permit you can get get is for concealed. There is no permit available to the regular citizen for "open carry". And "concealed" means concealed!!! Our NRA instructor drilled that into our heads. The gun must be concealed at all times or you are subject to arrest for breach of peace.

We just had a guy arrested here in my hometown at a Chili's restaurant for this, he walked in to pick up a "to go" order and the management saw a gun in his belt, everyone panicked and the police were called. Probably didn't help that he was in camouflage fatigues. IMO, he was looking for trouble.

The incident can be read bout here, its now a pending lawsuit.
http://www.ourrockyhill.com/

Originally Posted by willowbilly3

My 12 year old daughter is visiting me for the summer. We had a thunder storm and I after a while I woke up and looked in on her, she wasn't in her bed. I looked around the house and found her sleeping on the floor next to my bed.
I'm sure glad I don't sleep with a pistol and a fidgety mentality about invasion.
I guess we can all come up with a scenario to substantiate our position.

In California and maybe every state, it's a felony (for the gun owner)if a minor finds a gun and hurts themselves or someone else. If your guys are locked up this negates liability of the gun owner. Common sense and safe practice at home is always a good idea. As for being jumpy at home, nobody should be coming in the locked doors in the middle of the night, unless they are up to no good. Dogs are the early warning detection system! A good verbal warning is the next, guns and shooting are absolutely a last resort.