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    Went up to the shop to see the work progress in person the other day. Motor is sitting in the car. Learned that a FAST Dual Synch Distributor will not work inside a Holey Sniper EFI setup so having to take the FAST back and get a Holley Hyperspark ignition. Cause me a delay through next week but hopefully we can get er done next week.

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    So we finally got the parts all in mostly. Today they finished plumbing the return. The hperspark kit I picked up two weeks ago had the wrong distributor and it took nearly a week to get a replacement shipped in from Georgia. But the car is basically back together. Spending the weekend checking the connections and fitting and routing wires and hoses out of the heat. We wrapped the headers to see if that will help on top of the ceramic coating. Looks like it will be Monday before the first start. Really stoked about the job the shop has done on this.

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    First Start Monday we hope.

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    About all that's left is writing the check! Then put on Willy's "On The Road Again...."!
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    They are fussing with details, checking the wiring, checking fittings, looking at details. Ready Motorsports is good for that. Hopefully we will do a first start Monday. Then we will bring her home later in the week, then its game on. As an aside for the younger readers, I personally never ever borrow money or use credit for this work. I save up over the period of a few years then move forward as I can afford it. The final check was written before they started. Of course their margin is waiting their finish, but I hate the thought of being overextended on something like this, too easy for me to break stuff.
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    Fighting the return system, going to take some mods to the trunk space sheetmetal to get to the tank.

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    First start today. I call it Ethyl Roars 36. Number of first time fire ups after major mods. 383 stroker, late model SBC with 062 Vortec heads, Comp Xtreme Energy X288 Roller cam, Holley Sniper EFI, anda one piece rear Maine seal. Figure it to be about 10.5:1 compression. We will run it on 93 Octane though E-85 may be in the future.

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    Don Ross Fabrication is making a set of milld steel hood panels for me. The panels will be louvered to help heat escape. I am very excited about this. Don has restored at least one of Don Garlit's Swamp Rats. He also restored the dragster crashed at Indy in 67 I think (Nichols). He is currently restoring/rebuilding the shark dragster campaigned in the 1960's. It is a real honor that Don would take the time to do this. I am very honored and look forward to his work.

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    Build is done. Couple of tweaks and fine tune. Probably have the car back from Oklahoma by Friday. Thanks to Charles Ready, Ready Motorsports, Mannfred Oklahoma for leading the build effort.
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    Very nice! Did you hurt the original engine or did you just want to upgrade?

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    About three years ago I had a cam lobe go flat, filled the motor with metal. i pulled it to have a local shop go through and refresh it. They built the long block complete. We got home and while putting it together, two of the bolt holes in the heads for the intake just crumbled. I pulled the heads and went back to the shop. I was pretty pissed they did not catch the deterioration. They went through and fixed the holes. Turns out these were chinese heads and the castings were literally turning back to sand. I put the heads on and could only manage to finger tight several of the intake bolts and lost a couple of threads on the exhaust manifold. Still, like a dumbass, I went ahead and put her together. The shortblock was solid and had good internals. I drove it for two years. Tuning was a nightmare and it would not consistently stay in tune. A close friend gave me a set of 062 casting Vortec heads. Instead of bolting them directly on, I took them to a machine shop to work on the guides and the spring seats thinking to put a bigger cam in with the heads. It took nearly a year to get the work done but a large part of it was the guy at the machine shop showed me how to set up the machines and do it. We set them up for flat tappet cam with a 550 or better lift. The heads came out nicely. I decided to change the heads and Charles Ready at Ready Motorsports offered to help me. We were going to do it in his shop and I was going to go up and help. Meanwhile I decided it I was going that far on the engine I just as well put a roller cam in and bought a Comp Extreme Energy X288 roller cam conversion kit. The motor was a mess, used a lot of oil and fouled the plugs quite a bit. That was when Charles learned he screwed up. He recommended a Holley Sniper EFI. Neither you guys nor Charles knew I was the guy that started with headers on a GTO and wound up with nearly 1500 whp. So we assembled the parts and heads and Charles pulled the old heads. It was ugly, Compression was good but a couple of cylinders had bad scratches. I could look down the intake runners of the old heads and see the wet oil running through. The seals were good, it was the metal around the guides on the head side criumbling that let oil flow directly into the intake runner. I was already pretty heavily into the heads, cam kit, and Sniper so I figured the short block needed to be redone. I was looking for a 010 casting block but we figured with the roller cam and Vortec heads, why not just go to a later model SBC block with a one piece rear main seal. By then we had upgraded the valve springs on the heads and I got thinking, stroker..... So we had Midwest Engines in Tulsa do the longblock. They had done a build for Hot Rod Magazine a few years ago. so that's a pretty common gearhead version of how I went from a free head swap to a acompletely built 383 stroker with roller cam and EFI. Sorry for the rant, it is amazing to look at how I got there though. Essentially, yes the old motor was not well enough to risk using with the new stuff. I should have followed my gut instinct and replaced the heads when I first found the problem. Still, I put a lot of miles on those cheap heads, and had a lot of fun. Can't wait to try out the stroker
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    Wow, yet another Chinese parts horror story. I’ve never heard of heads failing quite like that.
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    Everyone was adamant that they were okay including Charles, until he pulled them off. They had first class parts, pushrod guides, screw in studs, springs, retainers, keepers, guides. The metallurgy was just poor. I should have recognized it early on though.

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    There's a big aftermarket diesel parts builder in Texas. When he started having heads cast in China they had the same issues. The metal just crumbled when you torqued the head studs. If you ported them they would almost disintegrate and go through the engine. It was a bad deal because a bare head was $2400 at the time. Now, on the other side of that coin...... I've been using stock casted 5.9 12v heads that come from China and I've had really, really good luck with them. Where's that balsa to knock on?

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    We tried an 8.3 Cummins head from China once, that cost us and the customer a lot of money. It was on for one year and the valves went through the seats and the guides were junk. We ended up buying a used Cummins head and rebuilt that one and throwing the China one away.
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