Thread: 460 vs 454

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Originally Posted by joede870

Well since I don't have a chasi should I just rebuild whatever I get and put just forged internals aluminum heads and a good street cam, that way I can learn joe to do it and when it goes il bore it out I 500+ cubes and then go for performance, I mean no matter what I do with it it will still be faster than my tacoma ahahahha

There is some sense in that approach. But while you're looking for the target of your money.. keep your eyes open for the end result of your rebuild. Also, if you can score a deal on forged components, cool! But, I wouldn't make it a prioirity as your project may never move forward as you'll constantly be saving coin to buy parts. Like I said earlier, just some things to consider, make a plan of what you want to do.

There's sooooooooo much more that goes into building a project then just the engine. I like to start with a mockup block of the engine and trans I eventually will be running and build the car around it. It's never made a lot of sense to me to do the engine build first, then let it just sit around gathering dirt and debris while the rest of the project is done.....

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

There's sooooooooo much more that goes into building a project then just the engine. I like to start with a mockup block of the engine and trans I eventually will be running and build the car around it. It's never made a lot of sense to me to do the engine build first, then let it just sit around gathering dirt and debris while the rest of the project is done.....

The main reason I want to just do a build is to see if I can do it so when I want to do some mods and have the cash to do it i will be able to do it myself but I will make sure not to let the motor sit for too long.

Originally Posted by joede870

Well since I don't have a chasi should I just rebuild whatever I get and put just forged internals aluminum heads and a good street cam, that way I can learn joe to do it and when it goes il bore it out I 500+ cubes and then go for performance, I mean no matter what I do with it it will still be faster than my tacoma ahahahha

well start looking at prices forged crank in 4340 steel 460 is $1000. my cost. for over seas crank USA steel is much more . cast steel is $400. rods $400.and up. Pistons forged 600. Bbc crank will be less about $450 to$700. for 4340 over sea.s crank but the 454 or 427 tall deck block cores cost more money then 429/460 .

Originally Posted by 34_40

There is some sense in that approach. But while you're looking for the target of your money.. keep your eyes open for the end result of your rebuild. Also, if you can score a deal on forged components, cool! But, I wouldn't make it a prioirity as your project may never move forward as you'll constantly be saving coin to buy parts. Like I said earlier, just some things to consider, make a plan of what you want to do.

Yea that's what il do I won't worry about serious mods until I have it in a chasi and drive train that Ik can handle the power I will just rebuild it with the best parts I can find at the time in my price range and by rebuilding it that way I could learn about it then I will have a fresh motor to drop in when I'm ready and so il be ready to mod it then

Dave made some excellent points about a 5.0 litre engine, you can get the same horses for less gas money, and have a programable engine, that is much more versatile amnd works in a much more modern era. Rebuilding the engine shouldn't be much different, just the fuel injection and computerized parts at the end. A 5.0 ltr. or 302 will fit a lot easier into many different engine bays, and be much lighter, freeing the need for more horsepower to move a heavier engine. Heck a chevy z series engine works great too, and is probably even cheaper to play with! And find info on!

Even better buy a used Suburu WRX and just play with engine mods. They are pretty remarkable as they are in stock form! The turbo charged engine models supposedly do 160mph in stock form!

Originally Posted by stovens

Dave made some excellent points about a 5.0 litre engine, you can get the same horses for less gas money, and have a programable engine, that is much more versatile amnd works in a much more modern era. Rebuilding the engine shouldn't be much different, just the fuel injection and computerized parts at the end. A 5.0 ltr. or 302 will fit a lot easier into many different engine bays, and be much lighter, freeing the need for more horsepower to move a heavier engine. Heck a chevy z series engine works great too, and is probably even cheaper to play with! And find info on!

I stated the Coyote 5.0, mod motor with the quad cams---not the old pushrod 302's. Just wanted to correct that Steve.

No problem dave I thought 5lt. was 302 ci? I was reffering to the modern version.

It is the same Steve.. But to separate them, they call the new one the Coyote. Overhead cams, no pushrods..

Originally Posted by stovens

Even better buy a used Suburu WRX and just play with engine mods. They are pretty remarkable as they are in stock form! The turbo charged engine models supposedly do 160mph in stock form!

There is no doubt new engines are remarkable in their ability to put out axing power to weight ratios. But being 17 a new fast car is out of the question because of insurance,that is why I want to go with a old motor an vehicle so that I can use collectors insurance lol and not get screwed lol so I'm going to just use this motor build as a learning experience so that way in the feature when I have enough cash hopfuly someday I will be able to have a 700 hp car someday ..... But for now a 400-500 hp car or truck would be amazing lol any way I slice it it's Gona be faster than my tacoma hahaha

Then keep your eyes open for things like this... 429 Big Block motor

Originally Posted by 34_40

Then keep your eyes open for things like this... 429 Big Block motor

I definatly will keepy eye out for somthing like that and I can hopfuly find one but I think I'm going to get whatever motor I can get a deal on, I just want a good learning experience before I realy start trying to take on big projects

that s to much to spend on a engine if you going to throw evey thing out if your going stroker . that may be a hell of a deal from a number engine if needed but you do not need that and a 429 .would be better to start with the most bang for the buck a 454 seen them running for less with a 400 trans that abit better then c6 but all you really need is a set of good head casting and a good block every thing every well could be worn out your talking about engine that seen some time on them some over 30years just a rering and valve job very well may not happen

I'm qurious if I want to rebuild a block do I need to have if bored or honed out? Or if it's a low mile block could I just rebuild it? And Ik prices vary but what would the cost be to bore the block and polish and port the heads?