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Originally Posted by DennyW

Hey, he changed, corrected that but it, to done it. He is saying he had it redone. A little frog'y today...are we...oh no...that's French...

ps: Well....it bothers me too.....

Tango is just a little up-set because Dave is calling him out on his "tunning abilities".

Originally Posted by erik erikson

Tango is just a little up-set because Dave is calling him out on his "tunning abilities".

As long as he don't call me out on Body work I will be OK

Originally Posted by tango

As long as he don't call me out on Body work I will be OK

Fair enough.
I am going to stick my neck way out on this one and hope that you guys don't chop it off.
This is only a guess.
Dave is a racer that has used some of the best parts out there and does not want to change because he knows what works.
Tango is a street/strip guy that will work with the parts he has at hand and modify them until he gets the results he is looking for.
Am I close on any of this??

This looks like a good way to end this fight . OK with me .

GUYS! i didnt mean it like that u all just took it the wrong way in form # 23 i ment built it. Not but it i just wanted to get this cleared up and help thats all.Erik i didnt mean no harm i just spelled it wrong or mind just was som where else sorry.NOW THATS ALL CLEARED UP LET TALK SBC 400.THANKS

Originally Posted by DennyW

Really...I didn't think that at all. Dave wanted to see my dyno sheet also. But, hey, that was a long time ago. I didn't get a sheet. Not like today's toys. Plus, around here, you can't get a dyno done. I didn't know Dave was that far up on engine tunning...anyway. He calls his guys for advice, why can't anyone else ? I have looked at Tangos cars, at the track where he ran them also. So I know he's not blowing smoke... How ever, I could be since I have no visual proof, but I'm not...

Ya know what guys??? I would venture to say I can tune my combo's better then most.... We run two cars in the 9.90 class and can back to back for four rounds a day plus or minus a few hundredths..... Two entirely different engines, one is a roller cammed 501 incher with Edelbrock CNC'd heads and a 750 Dominator flowing a real 815 CFM. The other is a solid lifter engine with John Kasse designed Cobra Jet heads running a 557 incher with a 1050 Dominator flowing 1095 CFM. The big engine runs a glide, the little engine runs a C6. Entirely different tune up parameters for each engine and both must be adjusted and calibrated to allow for changes in track and weather conditions..... So, because I get some of my parts built in Pro Shops and don't pretend to know it all, I'm not a tuner?????


PS, I also designed and built both cars starting with a pile of moly tubing laying on the steel rack. This year I loaned my own car to a young up and coming fella age 16 to get some rounds under his belt.... He will be driving our 3rd Super Gas car the summer after this.... If that makes me a dummy, then call me stupid I guess.......

Man I built a Chevelle 4 door with a budget 350 that ran high 12s with no spray . And I drove it to work for three years . And street raced it on the weekend's . Man you should see the Look on the face of a 5.0 guy . when you beat him with a 4 door Chevy COOL

Originally Posted by tango

Man I built a Chevelle 4 door with a budget 350 that ran high 12s with no spray . And I drove it to work for three years . And street raced it on the weekend's . Man you should see the Look on the face of a 5.0 guy . when you beat him with a 4 door Chevy COOL

Don't give me the used to have and beat this car or that!!!!! What are you building RIGHT NOW that will be a racer. Some of my projects are in my gallery pics...... Would of, could of, should of just don't cut it!!!! If you're not moving forward then ya must be backing up!!!! Last time I ran a 12 was when the coil went FUBAR shortly after getting into high gear!!!!

What I have now is much better then that 4 door Chevelle . But I do miss that car . Looks Like you have your work cut out for you with your car's . GOOD LUCK !

Originally Posted by DennyW

Lets see, you said guys, but you quote me...ok. Here we go Dave.

Yes, Probably, since you only have the same 2 to deal with. That's not so bad, as long as you keep track of things.

Try 10 different cars at the track, all different setups, but yet the same intended limits.. 1/2 mile track. Making changes to everything throughout the day. (yes, I kept my notebook right by my side, with everything wrote down). These guys were running in the 17 sec class when I started dialing them in. I got them to 15.1, which was the slowest build, down to 13.2, a little bit of cheating parts, but he needed the points, and wasn't going for first place, so no tear down anyway. Yes, last summer, that was my task. It was really big time fun also..

It bothers me when you say things like this Dave. I just know that in the back, you have these little perp things you like to do. It's ok though...it does put a smile on my face when I see them..

and don't pretend to know it all, I'm not a tuner?????
I've heard that on a few quotes when my name is mentioned.

Never started from a pile though, and built one. Never had the need to do so. I always reworked what I had, or bought a partial, and went from there. Getting to old to do that now though. It's a shame we aren't in our 20's, or 30's anymore ????

When I said engine tuner I was refering to someone "tuning an engine" on a dyno not a reference to a import car guy in any way shape or form.

Originally Posted by tango

What I have now is much better then that 4 door Chevelle . But I do miss that car . Looks Like you have your work cut out for you with your car's . GOOD LUCK !

Yeah, well I LIKE WORK!!!! The more difficult and challenging it is the more I like it..... You seem to want to belittle me for doing body work.... Take a look at the pics of that Camaro and Tom's coupe. There is one heck of a lot of hand formed sheet metal under there!!! Not many people would have even started on Tom's coupe because of it's condition!!!! I'm doing it for the challenge!!!!]


Here's what else I'm doing. I will finish my pickup and the Camaro and sell them both for money to go racing with this summer... This will represent an investment of considerable money and countless hours just for the privilege of having you tell me I'm, not a racer cuz I don't use junk parts but prefer the top shelf stuff bought and modified at Pro race shops!!!! When the pickup and Camaro are done and gone I have 2 other projects coming in that will help pay for next year's new car. In my spare time I'll build one or two more of my own projects to finish and sell so I can buy a couple more engines... I don't have a life other then cars. I don't drink, don't take vacations, don't go to movies, don't go bowling, I don't do anything but work in my little garage seven days a week for as many hours as a disabled old man can endure!!!! Just finished my taxes, on the line that asks "occupation" I put Hot Rodder, same thing I've put on that line for 30 years!!!!! So, next time you're ready to have a chuckle on my account because I spend big bucks on the best parts, take time to ask yourself if you'd be willing to do what I do to go fast????

Originally Posted by erik erikson

When I said engine tuner I was refering to someone "tuning an engine" on a dyno not a reference to a import car guy in any way shape or form.

But I could use some help when it comes to body work

Originally Posted by DennyW

Lets see, you said guys, but you quote me...ok. Here we go Dave.

Yes, Probably, since you only have the same 2 to deal with. That's not so bad, as long as you keep track of things.

Try 10 different cars at the track, all different setups, but yet the same intended limits.. 1/2 mile track. Making changes to everything throughout the day. (yes, I kept my notebook right by my side, with everything wrote down). These guys were running in the 17 sec class when I started dialing them in. I got them to 15.1, which was the slowest build, down to 13.2, a little bit of cheating parts, but he needed the points, and wasn't going for first place, so no tear down anyway. Yes, last summer, that was my task. It was really big time fun also..

It bothers me when you say things like this Dave. I just know that in the back, you have these little perp things you like to do. It's ok though...it does put a smile on my face when I see them..

and don't pretend to know it all, I'm not a tuner?????
I've heard that on a few quotes when my name is mentioned.

Never started from a pile though, and built one. Never had the need to do so. I always reworked what I had, or bought a partial, and went from there. Getting to old to do that now though. It's a shame we aren't in our 20's, or 30's anymore ????

1/2 mile track? We talking circle track here???? 13.2 on a circle track? Dirt or asphalt and what kind of car???

Man, you better go work for the NASCAR guys... Did a quick search, Martinsville is also a 1/2 mile asphalt.....


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Originally Posted by DennyW

I wasn't doing imports, but I'll tell you what, them little jobs at the track were kicking butt. They tweak the computer, jump it inside, and no rev limiter engagement. Besides, how did the rice burner crap come up ??

The "ricer-burner" rap came up because when I say "tuner" some people might think of a guy changing chips in his computer on his car.
I should of said "engine builder/engine tuner."