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like i said crate engines are ok for some they know who they are . i worked at a shop on them for a big name Gm seller of them.i seen how it was done so i think i know abit about them as to how it was done. as my good friend told me in this business along ago. i seen just about any thing run this was his answer to the very poor work and over 30 years of seening it get pass for good work. ..THE DYNO .. dyno deal should not be a deal breaker on small hp builds.many offer dyno time but not on small hp builds. some may offer you a better deal as this is a sevices not many are going to offer free time on one .look over your build and parts they may of padded it in the over all price. look very close some may used a lower guality parts or there brand part as a cheaper part that they relist under there name so not for customer to truley see were it.s coming from .fast of hand internet deal . to offer a free service on dyno time. fast of hand .. then some use the dyno deal as unreal numbers that driver online customers to them and have engines that may not have what they think .dyno should be done with what you going to use for carb . dist . headers . your going to use not what the shop has laying around .so engine tuned in the car or truck should be done. there many guys that play engine builder. they have no machine shop send evey thing out then walk in just a parts guy that screws parts together. hoping every thing is right and works this will get harded the more parts are being built oversees has what did fit last year now will not . hard to build a engine with no machines at your hands to tune in parts .to say they are engine builders with no tools there just like a guys that paint only 4 cars in there life think there body man or painter. would not be the sweat off a good body mans nuts. you could be better with local builder many have local fame of building a good engine and may or may not be a internet star . here is were a big engine shop can get stuff push threw the engine build end up with a so/so engine but pay for big adds and run big volume threw shop and worry about the engine quality later. there only may be intown one of the big name brand engines were theres over 40 engines running a round every day by a local builder.check builder machine shop rep a good engine even stock engine can be bulit by good machine work and building practise this has nothing to do the a dyno print out it just the right way to build a engine .. only a dumb ass would think that is no good with out paper .i seen many die shortly after the dyno run and guys still holding on to there papers .ON WORK DONE no ones is perfect but how you fix mistakes evey one as some it how fast you learn from it .some shop may have things in place to help a customer when this happens . but not from dumb things pepole do with engines. FLY BY NIGHT SHOPS ? well i seen many of the big name shop fall when the smaller shop keeps living why? overhead just bad in business many other things. i will not get in to . many did not get in to this businees to make fast money .they like or love doing the work not manny are getting rich building engines and if they have a engine machine shop knows there is not many fly by nigth shops .but i would bet there is more on the internet crate engine guys doing the fly by night heres how it works speed pro and many have easy builds that have been dyno then coppy there sheet move things around a bit to sound like you did it snap of photo of a nice shops there many photos on the net . now need a fake name or real one a address like 2121 mocking bird lane. then you find a cheap rebuilder of short blocks or long added you spin on the engine then festoon the engine head to toe some cheap china .that in no way any one could build it with real parts and not knockoff parts to look like you getting a hell of a deal.. sell it as a Crate Engine

Chevythunder,
Glad that you're hanging in and considering your options. I hope you get where you want to be, and I look forward to hearing about your build as you go. I really think you ought to give the Chevrolet Performance Parts "crate" engines some consideration, and take time to call the dealer and get the net price vs list, as they discount pretty deep!

Originally Posted by jerry clayton

.....Just so you know-crate engines aren't built by the factories( GM, Ford<ETC) but by the low bidder for a number of assemblies for the name companies and are probably the poorest choice of anything to use in a hotrod or muscle car--------- If you want something FACTORY-- find a late model wreck and get the entire drive train--------------

Jerry, not sure where you're getting your info on engines from Chevrolet Performance, but if you go direct to Chevy (link - Crate Engines: Powerful and Classic Chevy Race Engines | Chevrolet ) the engine listed there, from the base 290hp 350 to the LSX454R are all "GM Certified Parts" built in the GM Engine works, and carrying the full GM warranty (Call 800-450-4150 to chat with GM Performance Parts if you want to confirm my understanding.) I consider them a great alternative for someone who may not need a custom build. I'm pretty sure that the same goes for Ford engines from Ford Racing Parts Direct, but I have not talked to them today. They are Ford Certified Parts, I know that they are available from your local Ford Dealer, and I am pretty confident that Ford will say that they are built by Ford shops and carry Ford warranty. Buying a takeout engine from salvage is of course a great alternative, too!

Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

..... a good engine even stock engine can be bulit by good machine work and building practise this has nothing to do the a dyno print out it just the right way to build a engine .. only a dumb ass would think that is no good with out paper .

Pat,
You're taking one thing out of what I said, twisting my words and then calling me a dumb ass? If you look back, what I said (in part) was

I would advise you to shop around and find a quality shop that you can trust to build what you want and can show you a successful history that's not just talk. One example that I would want to see might be recent record holders or guys who've been tall in the winners circle in their chosen race venue running drive lines from the shop, or maybe hard dyno sheets showing black & white performance data for their different levels of builds. A shop that wants to dyno your engine to break it in and prove it's right before it goes out the door says a lot for me.

I offered what are important things to me based on my experience, and mostly that anyone can toss out a line of BS, but if they can back it up with some hard evidence that shows success it's more than hot air. Maybe that's successes by clients in pro ranks, time slips from the track, published results on their engines, or even a dyno run on the engine built for me. When a guy says, "This engine will put out 600HP and 700ftlbs of torque", but offers nothing to verify it how does one really know? I've said nothing about you, your shop, or your capabilities as a builder here and there's no reason for me to. I've simply stated what I consider things that a prudent customer looking for a complete, assembled engine might want to consider, and it's my opinion and nothing more. If that makes me a dumb ass then I guess I'll just have to accept that and move on. I'll not add anything further to this thread.

Originally Posted by rspears

Chevythunder,
Glad that you're hanging in and considering your options. I hope you get where you want to be, and I look forward to hearing about your build as you go. I really think you ought to give the Chevrolet Performance Parts "crate" engines some consideration, and take time to call the dealer and get the net price vs list, as they discount pretty deep!



Jerry, not sure where you're getting your info on engines from Chevrolet Performance, but if you go direct to Chevy (link - Crate Engines: Powerful and Classic Chevy Race Engines | Chevrolet ) the engine listed there, from the base 290hp 350 to the LSX454R are all "GM Certified Parts" built in the GM Engine works, and carrying the full GM warranty (Call 800-450-4150 to chat with GM Performance Parts if you want to confirm my understanding.) I consider them a great alternative for someone who may not need a custom build. I'm pretty sure that the same goes for Ford engines from Ford Racing Parts Direct, but I have not talked to them today. They are Ford Certified Parts, I know that they are available from your local Ford Dealer, and I am pretty confident that Ford will say that they are built by Ford shops and carry Ford warranty. Buying a takeout engine from salvage is of course a great alternative, too!



Pat,
You're taking one thing out of what I said, twisting my words and then calling me a dumb ass? If you look back, what I said (in part) was
I offered what are important things to me based on my experience, and mostly that anyone can toss out a line of BS, but if they can back it up with some hard evidence that shows success it's more than hot air. Maybe that's successes by clients in pro ranks, time slips from the track, published results on their engines, or even a dyno run on the engine built for me. When a guy says, "This engine will put out 600HP and 700ftlbs of torque", but offers nothing to verify it how does one really know? I've said nothing about you, your shop, or your capabilities as a builder here and there's no reason for me to. I've simply stated what I consider things that a prudent customer looking for a complete, assembled engine might want to consider, and it's my opinion and nothing more. If that makes me a dumb ass then I guess I'll just have to accept that and move on. I'll not add anything further to this thread.

no i did not call you a dumb ass ? maybe hard for you to take but like said i made HP number on a real dyno some engine are dyno and not. i said not all guys have the coin but done both with real dyno and sems . my shop face book has some if anyone gives a rats ass . but i am all out of time on this . i am about done ... last engine 540bbc low buck build 427 tall deck i said it should make 650hp as i was builing it low cr engine made 700 hp . 632 cid winner of hill climb took all class.s 1 st place . is on dune TV.. i said engine would clear 1000 when getting built it easy made 1200 hp one time one dyno . so many guys take the word of a good builder and most will back there output of there engines. i have some customer that dyno there engines on classis dynos. i wish more guys would with there parts headers muffler water pump are used . i said in my post and said .. tuned in. i was thinking most knew what i meant a chassis dyno