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Jerry - before the bus was even there an ACLU lawyer would have an injunction prohibiting those unfair and inhuman acts of -- gasp ---- gag -- making those downtrodden and unfortunate people to ---- to -- to holy s@#$!! actually work. Leading that parade of ACLU drones would be Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Van Jones.


PS - I agree with your concept and have even suggested that our county put those poor people to work, even some of the jailed folks could contribute.

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about the only similar project is making more jails and guard jobs----------what school has a computer class for prison guards??????only gloves worn these days are latex????????????what happened to cotton or leather work gloves????Oh yes we do have leather and wool linied gloves but doesn't PETA object to those????????

It would be nice if someone ran for office, stating the above ideas, which I agree with, but also took one law off the books each month, and downsized government to it's original intent. Most Politicians would be terrified to run if they thought they might have to really work for a living, intstead of spending everyone elses money.

Get the movie--Blazing Saddles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!first movie I saw that didn't have a slow spot to go for more pop corn

Dave,
I've seen several times the statement, "People do not go on welfare because they prefer it to making a decent wage". That may be true in South Dakota, and I won't argue that it's true for the guy or gal that's been working for five, ten or more years, falls on hard times, loses his/her house, car, goes into bankruptcy, and is faced with welfare or nothing. However, in the larger metro areas we have a core group of people who are very much dependent on welfare, and for many they are second, third and even fourth generation welfare recipients who have never, ever held a job. They may tell you that they do not want to be on welfare, but they will also come up with fifty reasons that they cannot work. The mentality is is that someone "owes" them what they want, and they have absolutely no concept of working, living within means, and saving to get their wants. If there is someone out there who has it, then they want it too, and if told that they cannot have it because they have to earn it the crying starts. They resent you for everything that you have, and for any security that you may have attained.

Please don't get me wrong. I have nothing against helping those truly in need, but I do have a problem with the folks who manipulate the system to not only get what they need, but to use the system to have their big screen tv, cable with all the movie channels, smart phones, etc, etc, all on welfare. I have a problem with a food stamp system that lets people buy more expensive food than I buy, or where someone pulls up in an $80,000 Mercedes walks in and pays for their porterhouse steaks with food stamps, or where the federal food stamps are sold to buy drugs, liquor or whatever else while children are eating peanut butter & crackers. IMO the federal welfare systems, including food stamps and everything else needs to be ended, and turned over to the states so that the states can in turn push it down to counties, and counties can push it down to cities where people that are able bodied can be put to work at the local level, improving the areas where they live and building their local economies. Those who truly cannot work should be cared for, but monitored to ensure that we break the cycle of "the world owes me because...." It's been said before, but I believe it to be true, and where we are headed unless we change directions as a society (apart from election rhetoric):

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
-- Dr. Adrian Rogers

The argument to that is quite easy. For generations, many of us know that hard work pays dividends. and For generations, there is no work in the ghetto, welfare is the only way to survive. Those who sell their food stamps, and all the other things are the minority. In their environment perhaps that's no more serious then fudging on your income tax a bit??? If we hear of isolated cases, then everyone on welfare must be doing it? That assumption is based on stereotyping, and stereotyping is more often then nut very inaccurate. Just where would you put people to work? A plan like Jerry suggested would be great, but also very expensive and would cause existing business to lose work. There is no easy or quick solution. If living in the projects and living on welfare is all you've grown up with, and you are completely surrounded by it....where is the incentive or even the reasoning to think it is possible to do anything else??? Easy to say what we would do, but then we haven't spent our entire life in poverty either.....

It would seem that we all are products of our environment, regardless of what environment we come from....

Originally Posted by stovens

It would be nice if someone ran for office, stating the above ideas, which I agree with, but also took one law off the books each month, and downsized government to it's original intent. Most Politicians would be terrified to run if they thought they might have to really work for a living, intstead of spending everyone elses money.

There should be a 1 or 2 term limit on congress and senate with no pensions or health care..I bet that would slow down the races for office Hell might even get people in there that would be willing to do some good. I know it could be that way if we voted it that way but hell a lot of people don't even vote then sit back and bitch.

Welfare should be a path back to prosperity, not a career. Quote from me, today.

Originally Posted by robot

Welfare should be a path back to prosperity, not a career. Quote from me, today.

I think most everyone would agree, I certainly do!!!! But what would be the program, and how would it be implemented? Might also want to throw a decent school system and affordable college in on the deal, too!

I think I mentioned schools-----------

Dave--I don't want to be hard on you because your from South Dakoda, but the whole state has population of only a little over 800,000 people and the margin of vote was over 1,000,000 in both Los Angeles county and Cook County(Chicago) There is no more PROJECTS--they tore them down to build condos---the tenants had taken out all the appliances and plumbing to sell---places were run over by gangs/drug lords-------
these people were brought to Chicago in the 60s on busses and it hasn't worked out--time for them to be moved on----there is a need for workers in the agriculture and energy fields(oil,coal,etc) and if we move these folks out to the jobs, give them places to live, go to school,etc--maybe we can then divert some resoures to securing our borders and stop the illegals from carrying backpacks of drugs in as they come here to work!!!!!!!

Affordable college?? how about 2 years country service at 18 (G12) in various military or craft type training(police,medical,firemen,truck driving,machinist)and then on to a higher level if grades/service supported it???(GI Bill?)

Want to come out to the Rosebud Indian Reservation with me sometime Jerry??? I do know about life in an impoverished area where there is no hope or chance for employment, spent a lot of time out there over the years with a good friend who is a drug and alcohol counselor on the res. The projects, condos, or a res, quality of life is the same...

Employment is the key, but who will do it and how will it be done? I feel that this is one more issue that both of our candidates have chosen to ignore this election, lots of talk about the middle class and the top 5%, but very little about education, poverty, welfare to work, or a lot of other programs that if enacted could do a world of good for the entire country and not just a select group!!!!

As for securing our borders, I'll state my "ideal world" idea again... Bring all of our troops home from the Mid East and any other country that doesn't want us there, and put them to work securing our borders and escorting the illegals to the exit!!!!! If someone wants to move to the US from elsewhere in the world, fine, we have laws to govern that!!!

Too bad none of this will ever happen, though.... Just more DDSS way I see it....

Well, we disagree on the minority issue. In the cities I believe it can be quickly verified that the vast majority of those on the welfare role are violating the system in one way or another, and that they have no interest in getting off of welfare. Why should they? They get paid for doing nothing, so they can complain about how much they are abused by "...the man", and how no one understands, etc, etc. How about mandatory drug testing before one can pick up their welfare check? That's a start, but before that, how about having to go down to the office to pick up that check, and answer some basic questions about what you're trying to do to break the cycle? I firmly believe the sentence in the middle of the quote above -

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

If you buy into the fact that those on welfare are the product of their environment, how do you propose to break the cycle? If we continue to let the numbers grow, then those on welfare will simply vote in the guy who promises them the biggest handout. Get a job? Don't want no job, MAN! Sorry, but life's different in the hood, and it's different from the reservation, too. That's a whole different sad situation, again fueled by our government in action.

How do you break the cycle, that was my question, don't have the answer... But then neither candidate has a plan for it either.

Maybe Romney was right, just a part of the 47% that we shouldn't even worry about????

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

How do you break the cycle, that was my question, don't have the answer... But then neither candidate has a plan for it either.

Maybe Romney was right, just a part of the 47% that we shouldn't even worry about????

I guess I heard Romney say that these programs needed to be given back to the states where they can be administered much more efficiently than at the federal level. I would then take it a step farther, and suggest that the states push down to the county level, where the people know the people, and can work on individual levels establishing work programs for neighborhood/city betterment, etc. Go in, find the biggest guy who is considered a "leader", hire him to "manage" the crews to re-paint graffiti laden walls. Once painted the bangers may think twice before they "tag" the wall that "Big Roy's Boys" painted. Just a thought....

Want to see something that will freak you out??????

Go to Walmart on the first of month---see what is in the carts---see the people---- see the treasury cards they use to pay, go outside see the Caddie Eskalaides, (custom wheels of course), Lexas (not a simple Toyoda)BMWs, MBs, that these people load the stuff into, then see if the people get in those cars or others???????????