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Welfare should be a path back to prosperity, not a career. Quote from me, today.

Originally Posted by robot

Welfare should be a path back to prosperity, not a career. Quote from me, today.

I think most everyone would agree, I certainly do!!!! But what would be the program, and how would it be implemented? Might also want to throw a decent school system and affordable college in on the deal, too!

I think I mentioned schools-----------

Dave--I don't want to be hard on you because your from South Dakoda, but the whole state has population of only a little over 800,000 people and the margin of vote was over 1,000,000 in both Los Angeles county and Cook County(Chicago) There is no more PROJECTS--they tore them down to build condos---the tenants had taken out all the appliances and plumbing to sell---places were run over by gangs/drug lords-------
these people were brought to Chicago in the 60s on busses and it hasn't worked out--time for them to be moved on----there is a need for workers in the agriculture and energy fields(oil,coal,etc) and if we move these folks out to the jobs, give them places to live, go to school,etc--maybe we can then divert some resoures to securing our borders and stop the illegals from carrying backpacks of drugs in as they come here to work!!!!!!!

Affordable college?? how about 2 years country service at 18 (G12) in various military or craft type training(police,medical,firemen,truck driving,machinist)and then on to a higher level if grades/service supported it???(GI Bill?)

Want to come out to the Rosebud Indian Reservation with me sometime Jerry??? I do know about life in an impoverished area where there is no hope or chance for employment, spent a lot of time out there over the years with a good friend who is a drug and alcohol counselor on the res. The projects, condos, or a res, quality of life is the same...

Employment is the key, but who will do it and how will it be done? I feel that this is one more issue that both of our candidates have chosen to ignore this election, lots of talk about the middle class and the top 5%, but very little about education, poverty, welfare to work, or a lot of other programs that if enacted could do a world of good for the entire country and not just a select group!!!!

As for securing our borders, I'll state my "ideal world" idea again... Bring all of our troops home from the Mid East and any other country that doesn't want us there, and put them to work securing our borders and escorting the illegals to the exit!!!!! If someone wants to move to the US from elsewhere in the world, fine, we have laws to govern that!!!

Too bad none of this will ever happen, though.... Just more DDSS way I see it....

Well, we disagree on the minority issue. In the cities I believe it can be quickly verified that the vast majority of those on the welfare role are violating the system in one way or another, and that they have no interest in getting off of welfare. Why should they? They get paid for doing nothing, so they can complain about how much they are abused by "...the man", and how no one understands, etc, etc. How about mandatory drug testing before one can pick up their welfare check? That's a start, but before that, how about having to go down to the office to pick up that check, and answer some basic questions about what you're trying to do to break the cycle? I firmly believe the sentence in the middle of the quote above -

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

If you buy into the fact that those on welfare are the product of their environment, how do you propose to break the cycle? If we continue to let the numbers grow, then those on welfare will simply vote in the guy who promises them the biggest handout. Get a job? Don't want no job, MAN! Sorry, but life's different in the hood, and it's different from the reservation, too. That's a whole different sad situation, again fueled by our government in action.

How do you break the cycle, that was my question, don't have the answer... But then neither candidate has a plan for it either.

Maybe Romney was right, just a part of the 47% that we shouldn't even worry about????

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

How do you break the cycle, that was my question, don't have the answer... But then neither candidate has a plan for it either.

Maybe Romney was right, just a part of the 47% that we shouldn't even worry about????

I guess I heard Romney say that these programs needed to be given back to the states where they can be administered much more efficiently than at the federal level. I would then take it a step farther, and suggest that the states push down to the county level, where the people know the people, and can work on individual levels establishing work programs for neighborhood/city betterment, etc. Go in, find the biggest guy who is considered a "leader", hire him to "manage" the crews to re-paint graffiti laden walls. Once painted the bangers may think twice before they "tag" the wall that "Big Roy's Boys" painted. Just a thought....

Want to see something that will freak you out??????

Go to Walmart on the first of month---see what is in the carts---see the people---- see the treasury cards they use to pay, go outside see the Caddie Eskalaides, (custom wheels of course), Lexas (not a simple Toyoda)BMWs, MBs, that these people load the stuff into, then see if the people get in those cars or others???????????

the people in those car are buying the F/S and card from the people who should be using them for food they sell there cards to buy drugs and other things not avaliabe with the card...They have arested several around here for doing just that. Even licqure store ownes are buying the cards and then selling there goods to them.. Its happening everywhere,,, Just like hearing about them getting caught. The cops find out about it and watch and wait till its a large enough sum so they can bust them with somthing other than a misdomeaner(sp)

Think about it: it's easy to afford a nice ride when you don't have to pay for rent or food

in 1996 congress newt was speaker of the house changed the welfare sys. one of those changes was to qualify for welfare you had to register with the employment office and look for a job and it has made a difference over the years they had to twist clintons arm to sign but to his credit he signed it well last july with an executive order potus wiped that out why because the unemployment numbers only count people who are looking for work he knew he couldn't get the unemployment below 8% buy election time he calculated that it would change the # in October and it did so now he runs around campaigning that he got it down to under 8% but if you add those people back in it's 8.4% just what all the economist said it would be in august so that's how Chicago politics work btw you want to see welfare in action come to California we have the most liberal sys in the country we have about 8% of the population but 35% of the welfare in the country......ted

the potus has called in all the government resources to help a boat 160 mi. off the coast of va but could not bother with helping our navy seals and ambassador. maybe the white house brewery broke down ....ted

Ted,

Love your phone seen behind the bird. Is it a decoration or does it actually work?

Jack.

On a positive note -

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Roger - I just saw today's photo about the time you posted and above. Not nice duty on a day like today.

As far as Upstate NY - so far, no rain, a bit breezy and all the leaves are back that I blew into the woods on Friday/Saturday The sun actually peeked through for about 2 minutes - but I suspect that's the last time we'll see it before the weekend