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I think that perhaps the FCEV (Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle) may be the answer, with hydrogen as the fuel, derived from Natural Gas. Some of the prototypes since 2009 have gone over 250 miles between refueling, much better than having to recharge batteries every 100 miles, but still not where it needs to be. One has to wonder if some closet scientist might not find the answer to having a range of say, 1000 miles with efficiency in the 75% to 80% range, good acceleration up to a max speed of maybe 90 mph (120 for police applications??), and capable of being re-fueled in less than ten minutes from a readily available fuel source - that is, already readily available, and lower in price than gasoline, with a sufficient prize dangled out there to be claimed. Throw in a set of lithium batteries for backup in case of fuel cell problems, and you might have the bases covered. I kind of like the idea, and I for sure like it better than our government handing out millions to snake oil salesmen who happened to be big campaign contributors.

Fox news just showing OBama voting in Chicago---What do you think it cost????? Saw a c5a or something like it landing at Dupage County airport yesterday afternoon--with the Marine One choppers---NOW, they just flew over the house on way back to airport---I got outside in time to see two of them, sometimes there are 3 or more----plus his armored cars and escorts---couldn't he of just mailed his ballot in??????????

Originally Posted by jerry clayton

Fox news just showing OBama voting in Chicago---What do you think it cost????? Saw a c5a or something like it landing at Dupage County airport yesterday afternoon--with the Marine One choppers---NOW, they just flew over the house on way back to airport---I got outside in time to see two of them, sometimes there are 3 or more----plus his armored cars and escorts---couldn't he of just mailed his ballot in??????????

Ya' know, that could have been done to create a valuable "campaign moment", him and Michelle walking out to the corner mailbox with their advance ballots, placing the stamps on the corner, and then dropping them into the box with plenty of time to spare, along with a message, "I just saved the American taxpayer's $300,000 by mailing in my ballot instead of taking Air Force One to Chi-Town..... Opportunity missed I'd say!!

The plane that is used to carry the president, which is typically a Boeing 747, costs the Air Force $179,750 per hour to operate, according to a new Congressional Research Service report. This is just the cost of Air Force One (designated as such only when the POTUS is on board).

Typically, there are other costs associated with the planes that are required for the entourage of a president. Air National Guard planes also fly approach and take-off sorties. It costs (per aircraft) $20,516 per hour to fly the F-15 and $9,366 to fly the F-16, according to data published by Defense Department comptroller’s office.

So yuppers – probably cost the taxpayers $250K each way for Mr. Obama to come to Chicago to cast his vote. It’s a bit more than a first class stamp. Probably the annual salary with benefits of five well qualified K12 teachers.

Originally Posted by glennsexton

The plane that is used to carry the president, which is typically a Boeing 747, costs the Air Force $179,750 per hour to operate, according to a new Congressional Research Service report. This is just the cost of Air Force One (designated as such only when the POTUS is on board).

Typically, there are other costs associated with the planes that are required for the entourage of a president. Air National Guard planes also fly approach and take-off sorties. It costs (per aircraft) $20,516 per hour to fly the F-15 and $9,366 to fly the F-16, according to data published by Defense Department comptroller’s office.

So yuppers – probably cost the taxpayers $250K each way for Mr. Obama to come to Chicago to cast his vote. It’s a bit more than a first class stamp. Probably the annual salary with benefits of five well qualified K12 teachers.

Also, Glenn, the White House press "corpse" goes with him. I made my company's air travel arrangements for them in the late sixties and early seventies. At that time the White House had its own travel office staffed by very capable professionals. I don't know how corpse transportation is run now. BUT ....... when the poorest excuse for a man to ever hold the presidency took office, his wife (her name now escapes me) accused the travel office of financial misdeeds of various kinds. The staff was dismissed. White House travel was turned over to a travel agency that was, quite coincidentally, owned by a friend of hers.

The impeached aforementioned "poorest excuse" is now a venerated Elder Statesman and his wife is now Secretary of state.

Yeah.

Jim

Well, certainly not the only incumbent ever to travel home to vote...... Remember lots of "photo ops" of incumbent Presidents doing that... Just more wasted tax dollars that the government doesn't seem to give a hoot about... DDSS

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Well, certainly not the only incumbent ever to travel home to vote...... Remember lots of "photo ops" of incumbent Presidents doing that... Just more wasted tax dollars that the government doesn't seem to give a hoot about... DDSS

Nope, definitely not the only incumbent to make a show of traveling home to vote, and will not be the last. My point is that it was still an opportunity lost, IMO. Seems that there is no accountability for money spent in any political office anymore, again, IMO, and that crosses party lines! We had a mini-scandal about politicians "overlooking" their personal property taxes on luxury jets that were owned by their businesses. Caused a mini uproar, and some scrambling to write checks to cover past sins.

Just politics as usual, cut everybody's program except mine.....

Nothing new there either, I guess.....

Vote out ALL the incumbents a couple times, maybe they'd get the message??

Andrew Jackson supposedly said "they should hold elections every year so all the fools could have a shot at it"

Don't forget that on this trip they had several stops---each stop would of had an advance party of secret service, plus C5As hauling in choppers and armored limos----and its probably a little over 2 hours Chicago to Andrews AFB so you will be well over one/half million dollars just for AF ONE-------

Originally Posted by jerry clayton

Don't forget that on this trip they had several stops---each stop would of had an advance party of secret service, plus C5As hauling in choppers and armored limos----and its probably a little over 2 hours Chicago to Andrews AFB so you will be well over one/half million dollars just for AF ONE-------

You also forgot the ambulance, the helicopters, the black Suburbans along with the multitude of secret service personnel plus the spare Air Force 1 that isn't too far away, either a 747 or a smaller airplane. Obumbler has been here three times in the past couple of years - and that motorcade BS will tie up an entire city plus screw up our pretty small Albany International(?) Airport for hours - talk about lost time/costs(millions of $$) for many thousands of others caught up in the mess

If they could (or were even interested) in eliminating all the fraud, waste, and abuse in the Federal Government and apply that money to the deficit, betcha we'd see that big number go down in a hurry!!! Seeing as how the one's who benefit most from the fraud, waste, and abuse would be the one's to end it I guess we don't have to wait for that to ever happen!!!!!!

As a Kiwi, all of this has no personal impact on me.
But I seem to remember...

Not long ago some the auto industry were asking your government to bail them out of financial trouble.
Some of the auto executives had the temerity to turn up in their corporate jets; and were told to sell those off now, and to live within their means before coming cap-in-hand pleading for assistance.

Your country's going broke...running huge budget deficits.

Wouldn't it seem like a good idea for the politicians to practice what they preach?

And sell those 'corporate jets'?

Just wondering...
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Originally Posted by johnboy

As a Kiwi, all of this has no personal impact on me.
But I seem to remember...

Not long ago some the auto industry were asking your government to bail them out of financial trouble.
Some of the auto executives had the temerity to turn up in their corporate jets; and were told to sell those off now, and to live within their means before coming cap-in-hand pleading for assistance.

Your country's going broke...running huge budget deficits.

Wouldn't it seem like a good idea for the politicians to practice what they preach?

And sell those 'corporate jets'? Just wondering....

AHHhhhhh.. imagine a world like that! Where the politician actually wanted to do what's right for his country moreso than his political party... what a world it would be!

But instead, "we" just continue to vote in the incumbent and now we've taught them that they have nothing to fear from the voters, they only have to deliver promises and then blame someone else for the countries ills.

Maybe someday it'll change? .....................soon?????............................

ps, as far as no personal impact? If "we" fail, we're taking everything / everyone with us! Remember that world economy? Here it goes!!!

Originally Posted by johnboy

...
Your country's going broke...running huge budget deficits.

Wouldn't it seem like a good idea for the politicians to practice what they preach?

And sell those 'corporate jets'?
...

You give us way too much credit