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Originally Posted by shine

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please step in here. you should have more first hand knowledge on romney. not digging at you i really want to know more.

Shine, what would you like to know..??..?? Last time I discussed M.R. I got IC2 overly excited and upset with me!

Mitt is the true politician. Wears a teflon suit maybe in a former life he sold used cars!

I am NOT a fan of M.R. as he is a career politician and certainly doesn't need our money! So why would he want to be the president? Yep, he's on a power trip imho..,

The only (grudgingly) good thing I can say would be about his experience(s) with parties from around the world, I'm almost certain he could corral squirrels if he had to!

I actually feel / felt betrayed by him and his administration here in Mass as I was on the side that fought against his insurance plan. I still don't believe it's constitutional but there's no way any minority group (republicans) is going to get it turned over / repealed.

So I am trying to restate, M.R. is NOT a Republican and he is NOT a democrat, imho he will say whatever it takes, dependant on who's standing in front of him. AKA a Politician!

i think they all are. health insurance aside . did he improve the economy ? i hear your schools are top shelf. ours suffer because of the high number of kids with little english skills. but then i feel government interference in any of it is wrong.
people dont like perry but the economy here is pretty stable. our problem is folks following the jobs here.
what i want from romney is this
stabilize the economy
secure our borders
follow the constitution
and most of all cowboy up and tell iran to eat a fish along with the rest.

obama has not and can not do any of the above. he is an empty suit living off the 47% and doing nothing for them .

and for the record i dont want another politician in there. i voted for ross for boss . we need a business mind to dig out of this.

Ed McMahon introduces The Great Carnack
he places the sealed envelope to his head and says:
"What is the lesser of two evils?"
then the Great Carnack opens the envelope and reads these words:
"Voting in the Presidential Election!"

Originally Posted by shine

i think they all are. health insurance aside . did he improve the economy ? i hear your schools are top shelf. ours suffer because of the high number of kids with little english skills. but then i feel government interference in any of it is wrong. people dont like perry but the economy here is pretty stable.
and for the record i dont want another politician in there. i voted for ross for boss . we need a business mind to dig out of this.

I do not believe he improved much of anything. Businesses were heading off shore at that time, but, I do not remember him leaving office with a deficit.

Schools here in New Bedford have had as much as a 30% drop out rate! The current state gov't. enforces a standards test before kids can graduate H.S., so they teach'em exactly what is in the test. No more / No less... what local businesses end up hiring is somebody who is so out of touch with todays reality, they're really handicapped and the employers have to teach them everything all over again! Many communities are now rebelling against the govenors standards. Another example of our schools and what's being taught is the schools have to teach a language, so the portuguese kids get taught.... portuguese! And the spanish speaking children are taught... Spanish! They are all bi-lingual anyway 'cause their also taught english.. but the mono-lingual kids can choose from french or spanish for a second language...

And of course very few of them can add or subtract without a handheld calculator! Or make change.. or read a non-digital watch... so I cannot say our schools are any better than yours, just a different set of "immigrants".

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

That has been one of the more humorous displays of late, especially in debate post mortem. All those fine folks who voted in the relatively unknown guy in 2008 based on his bumper sticker slogan of "Hope and Change" supported entirely by platitudes and ultimately undelivered promises are now drilling Romney for "specifics".

Until MR can tell me where the money to right the ship is coming from all he is, is a talking head, a politician and not a leader with a solution. At least our President is providing those facts, even though they may not be the best, they are quantifiable. Undelivered promises are also backed by facts, MR needs to bring some to the table...and lose that chesire cat grin!

But perhaps most importantly, when MR sees removing $$$ from NPR as a big step in the right direction (Fed govt. only provides 15% of the total funding for NRP), what other social services will follow? Medicare? Medicaid? Welfare? Other non-revenue Arts? Unfortunately I believe that people will physically suffer with MR at the helm and I don't want that to happen. I also appreciate that our President is looking out for the middle class of which my family is firmly planted in, while MR's wealth allows him a whole different viewpoint on life that may not be in my best interest.

All of us need to think about what we are voting for, not against when we go to the polls in November.

I will now go back to the Hot Rod Threads, discuss away! God Bless America!

i thought he made it very clear where the money will come from. an expanded tax base has always brought prosperity to the nation. more people working and paying their taxes instead of setting home living off the government and paying nothing. that in it's self is the root cause for the problems. i can assure you when you raise taxes on business it will come from their budget not profits. people whine and complain because a large business will get an extended tax break to locate in a city . what they fail to understand is the 500 jobs they bring will generate far more tax revenue than any other tax on a business . it is just how it is done . always has been always will be .
if you think obama is looking out for the middle class you need to look closer . as a small business owner i am square in the middle of his cross hairs.

I did some checking a bit ago and thought I’d just throw this out there.

National Debt when Obama took office 10,626,000,000,000
Current National debt....................... 15,566,000,000,000

Number of people unemployed Sep 2008 10,100,000
Number of people unemployed Oct 2012 12,100.000

2008 Number of people on food stamps 26,000,000
2012 Number of people on food stamps 46,700,000

Number of illegal aliens in US 2008 (est) 11.000,000
Number of illegal aliens in US 2012 (est) 11,500,000

Nov 17 2008 national average price of gasoline $2.17
National Average price of gasoline yesterday $3.80

Anyone can take “facts” and spin them in a favorable light (percentages vs actual numbers etc.) From the looks of it even though the percentages of unemployed look better than previous months, it still appears that there are 2,000,000 more people out of work now than there were before the current president took office. I couldn’t find figures on the number of people on section 8 housing to compare, but it appears I’m putting more roofs over peoples heads and paying for their supper than I have in the past. The national debt is 5Trillion dollars more than it was 4 years ago, our borders are still not secure and my tax dollars are being spent to educate kids that aren’t supposed to be here rather than providing quality education for my US citizen grandchildren. On average I am paying far more for commodities than I was 4 years ago.

Can Obama turn the country around given 4 more years…….or if he’s given the chance will he just become the new “previous president excuse” for the next president to fall back on to say don’t blame me I inherited this mess.



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Those numbers don't lie and more taxes on the rich is not the answer, putting more people to work is. I'm not interested in who did what 6, 8, 10 years ago, but I am interested in your plan to put people back to work, closing the border, developing our known oil reserves, and eliminating burdensome bureaucracies and regulations that are dragging this country down. Tax, tax, tax is not the answer, never has been and never will be.

Originally Posted by Hot Rod Surfer

At least our President is providing those facts, even though they may not be the best, they are quantifiable. Undelivered promises are also backed by facts, MR needs to bring some to the table...and lose that chesire cat grin!

Unfortunately I believe that people will physically suffer with MR at the helm and I don't want that to happen. I also appreciate that our President is looking out for the middle class of which my family is firmly planted in, while MR's wealth allows him a whole different viewpoint on life that may not be in my best interest.

All of us need to think about what we are voting for, not against when we go to the polls in November.

I will now go back to the Hot Rod Threads, discuss away! God Bless America!

HRS. The "facts" from the pres. are not real. IMHO.. how can we continue to build our country on a house of cards? No one wants to see any of our citizens hurt, but, when those cards come crashing down, we will all suffer! There is just no way we can survive with a 15 TRILLION dollar debt! And that is a fact! If we continue to spend more than we take in, we as a country are doomed as we'll take down the worlds economy with us! That is another fact!

I agree with you that we need to think hard about what we're voting for in a few weeks. The reality as I see it is this, no matter what happens we'll pay, always have, always will... it's just how much harder will the landing be if we choose to be financially wreckless?

I hope you take this in the spirit that it's intended! Just a different viewpoint than yours! Thanks..

I would like nothing better then to see the government get out of NPR, PBS and the NEA, a total waste of taxes. If these programs or products are so wonderful and needed so badly people will buy the product and these propaganda machines will survive.

Remember Air America, the perfect example of a lefty propaganda machine and the viability of it's products and services. A full course and example of Capitalism 101, say I do not seem to be able find that show anymore. What happen to it?

What big bird cannot survive, could it be it is a lousy program and that's the reason? ........ Oh the thought. How about PBS in general, that thing constantly has a bunch of beggars hawking their services. Crap give me commercials on PBS, more interesting and informative. All PBS does is push a bunch of has been artiest trinkets.

PBS, and the military among us will understand the next few words, is nothing more then a group of Hey Joe's found in every port overseas.

To sum it up I will use a statement made by a famous man, you will recognize the source by the intellect of the statement. " Why would anyone want to borrow money from China to fund big bird and put your children's future at risk? "

Anyone think that's a good plan?


I have no children so I do not have a dog in this race, but there are plenty here that do.

The question has been asked in this thread (obviously not in these exact words) "JUST HOW CAN YOU IMPLY THAT ONE MAN ALONE IS THE MAIN REASON THAT OUR COUNTRY NOW FINDS ITSELF UP TO ITS EARS IN CA-CA?

You think maybe this might have something to do with it?

What ever happened to "checks and balances"?

Jim

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EXECUTIVE ORDERS ISSUED…
Teddy Roosevelt 3
Others to FDR NONE
FDR 11 in 16 years
Truman 5 in 7 years
Ike 2 in 8 years
Kennedy 4 in 3 years
LBJ 4 in 5 years
Nixon 1 in 6 years
Ford 3 in 2 years
Carter 3 in 4 years
Reagan 5 in 8 years
Bush 3 in 4 years
Clinton 15 in 8 years
George W. Bush 62 in 8 years
Obama 923 in 3 1/2 years!
Executive Orders .... where's the media?
If you don't get the implications you're not paying attention. How many warnings do you need?
923 Executive Orders in 40 Months

During my lifetime, All Presidents have issued Executive Orders, for reasons
that vary, some more than others.

When a President issued as many as 30 Ex. Orders during a term in Office,
people thought there was something Amiss.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT 923 EX. ORDERS IN ONE PART OF ONE TERM
?????? YES, THERE IS A REASON.
IT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO TAKE CONTROL AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND
THE SENATE.

Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small number of
Democrat Senators question him.

HE SHOULD BE QUESTIONED. WHAT IS HE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ????

DOES THIS SCARE YOU AS MUCH AS IT DOES ME?


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Not really surprising that he appointed "Czars" to be in charge of everything.
Emperor Obama ?
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

....THIS IS NOT FUNNY, AND IF YOU VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN, YOU CAN EXPECT MORE!

Remember what he told Russia 's Putin: "I'll be more flexible after I'm re-elected".

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: Obama has signed 923 Executive Orders in 40 months!
What did Congress do in those 40 months? (The House - considerable. The Senate
-nothing, not even a budget nor allowing any House bill to be considered.) A
whole new order must prevail in Wash. DC as a result of this next election! Now
look at these:

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of
transportation and control of highways and seaports.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the
communication media.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power,
gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and
farms.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work
brigades under government supervision.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education
and welfare functions.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to
operate a national registration
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to
take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate
communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be
abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland
waterways and public storage facilities.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal
departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued
over a fifteen year period.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency
Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in
times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce
the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to
establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate
penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to
develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and
distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money
in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also
provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress
cannot review the action for six months.

Feel free to verify the "executive orders" at will... and these are just the
major ones I'm sure you've all heard the tale of the "Frog in the Pot"... you
all comfortable???
Watch Obama's actions, not his words! By his actions he will show you where
America is headed.

. Just this week, Obama has issued a new executive order that seeks to
"harmonize" U.S. economic regulations with the rest of the world. This new
executive order is yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a
North American Union and a one world economic system.

Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.
The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly looking
for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest of the world.
The globalization of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and this
latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. economic policy.
Now federal regulators will be required to "harmonize" their work with the
international community.

THIS IS DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE??
Just Google it!

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

Scare tactics are at the core of Chicago thug politics, but that's just the foundation. The next weeks are gonna be an all out blitz to demoralize the anti-Obama vote, and it will be relentless, dirty, and intense. Expect what's referred to as the October surprise,

as predicted:
Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt - Yahoo! Finance

Jim, I hate to do this but your post appears not to be very accurate. However the facts that are hopefully (?) correct, are still just as dismaying to me.



"......It’s true, however, that Obama is employing his executive powers now more than ever before during his presidency.

Obama has been sidestepping Congress through his “We Can’t Wait” initiative, a series of executive actions that he claims benefit the middle class through infrastructure projects and economic policy changes.

He also skirted Senate approval in January when he appointed nominees to the National Labor Relations Board and to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The appointments were unprecedented because he made them when the Senate was technically not in recess, prompting legal challenges from conservative groups.

In June, the president halted deportations of illegal immigrants who entered the United States when they were children and met certain requirements, such as the lack of a criminal record. The change mirrored provisions of the DREAM Act — failed legislation that Obama supported and Senate Republicans blocked in 2010.

And in July, Obama changed welfare policy to allow states to modify work requirements if they test new approaches to increasing employment. Obama did not submit the policy change to Congress for review, which the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office concluded he should have done......."


( Source FactCheck.org : Obama’s Executive Orders )

A lot of times the EOs are basically just administrative tools, however Obama's use of them to cirumvent decisions that should belong to the congress who are supposed to represent the people really bothers me.




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Just catching up on lots of good stuff here. I think we all realize neither candidate is a stellar choice. So in a sense we can all agree both of the 2 contenders stink to some degree. Secondly I think if you wade through the comments you'll find many people want better education for our kids, just can't agree how to get there.Thirdly we all would like to see more people working and less unemployment, just have different ideas on how to stimulate the economy.
Funny enough living in California, with one of the strongest liberal movements in all 50 states, our public education is going down the tubes. When I was a kid(the 60's-80) We had one of the best public education systems in the country, but now it's one of the worst. Most of the liberal people, when looking to point the finger as to why, will say it's Prop. 13(Jarvis) that fixed our property taxes ,in an attempt to stop forcing the elderly to sell their homes(because of the increasingly high rates). Yet in this strong liberal state nobody has changed that in 30years. So if a politically liberal group, shouting that a politically conservative group caused all our trouble, then it amazes me why they haven't voted a change to rectify this problem in over thirty years? Our conservative leaders will state that our educartion system is top heavy with administrator, and that instead of throwing more money at them, we need to work with what we already have. I guess I've heard the arguements from both sides for so long, and have seen stupid solutions be put foward so many times, that nobody wants to look at where the money is going. The california state retirement program was cush. You work x amount of years,until your x years old, you got
up to 75% of your last threes years average annual income, and you recieved health care for the rest of your life. Heck it was awesome. My mom worked in that system for 35 years. She was one of the unfortunates, in that she only enjoyed 2.5 years of retirement before she passed. But the majority of these folks can live 20-30 years after retirement. It wasn't hard to see that our benefits weren't financially sustainable, and that my friends is what nobody wants to state for fear of losing votes and power.
Ultimately, dump more tax dollars into stimulation of the economy, weakens the dollar, increases inflation, and leads to more unemployement. It hurts any generation to follow. It is not the answer.
Mitt is a politician, Obama is a politician, and they by nature will kiss babies while they are on the camera, and steal thier lolipops, while not being filmed. I think if more people were willing to look at the problems, and not their Party line, we might be able to approach what's wrong with america as a team, and actually solve some of those problems, vs. spouting why one side or the other is wrong, and then shoving an agenda that will never work thru, until enough voters don't buy it any more, and we elect a new spin doctor to lead us down a new path.
Therefore I vote for a new spin doctor, cause the old one isn't doing anything!

To compare this president to one of the past because of changing times and needs just doesn't make much sense. Then say he isn't doing his job because of all those EO's doesn't make sense either. Sure seems to me he has been very busy trying to get things done.No one is going to over throw the government short of a military cue.