I know that and you know that but I doubt the rest of the Club does.Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
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I know that and you know that but I doubt the rest of the Club does.Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
sorry i will go to the corner of the room ... now were is my hat **)Quote:
Originally Posted by erik erikson
i think you could get away with this , take a 283 have it punched .125 get standard bore 302 12:5-1 pistons use a set of 186,291, 461-461 heads ahve them worked alot of guys will let you make payments, cant do that with aftermarket! 2.02 1.6 valves 64cc chambers have them milled to 62cc deck the block end up with a total of about 12:8-1 13:1 range of compression use a 4 speed and 513's or a auto w/4500 stall and 488:'s unorthadox? hell yes thats what makes it fun! run a solid roller and dont forget to shift at about 7800 !
the dart iron in the long run may be cheaper and better numbers big roller cam killer valve springs get some alum rod a good oil pan and shift at 8000 or not**)Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
if they did it back then, you can do it now :D with the same parts
sure you can how much money do you want to spend on a set of whip out heads labor rates on machine work i do know that is how i try to pay the bills scooter**) gas was less than 80 cents a gallon the good old daysQuote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
i guess its all in who you know and what kind of deals your able to obtain :D
yep that is right but the best deal on them old casting and labor still going to go past a set of new iron head casting for what i can get them for and the new heads still will out flow them . i know what your trying to do but ? them guys in the 60/mild 80 would of pick up better heads if they were available have seen many rework hi winder sbc heads that had much $$ done to them . valve train going to 7800 is no place to go cheap
god denny stop working so hard you gone all grayQuote:
Originally Posted by DennyW
Been interested in the topic. My older brother had a Camero SS when I got back from the service in '70. It had a 4-speed and a really hot motor. He said that he had to order the motor separate from the car, because Chevrolet wasn't allowed to put that particular motor in the car at the factory, BUT that the dealership could pull the factory-installed motor and drop this motor in if he ordered it. He did. He said that it was a special 302 CI called a "Cimarron". There was no question that it was "hot" for its time.
Can anybody verify this? I've talked to a lot of Chevy guys and only have had one to even seem to know what I was talking about.
As a side note, I thought I was going to die just a mile from the house, riding with him in this SS after spending a year in the "land of the Jolly Green". That was the last time I rode with him.
dont use scat,
why not ? there quality is better then eagle and all the forging are all coming from chinaQuote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
thats the main issue pat :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
yes i know but i have used over 30+ set a of the china rods in race engines and they have not failed from the steel. but if you have the bucks it nice to have crower or any usa rods but they are to selling import steel rods toQuote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
that is true and i have been told there is alot of stuff past off as usa steel but they do not say were it is forged at?????Quote:
Originally Posted by DennyW
well ill still never use the crap, after i saw a guy break a scrat crank in 3 places in a 406 it didnt exactly impress me
well have you seen stock steel break i have seen 3000 dollar crank s that were junk who balanced it ? so he busted one ? i have a customer that has a 548 shift s at 8000 with a scat crank and have sold and used more of them then any thing. but like i said if you have the money then buy a great crank but they do break to. like my new used rods ???
And a little soccer thrown in for good measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by DennyW
BTW Denny, is that new avatar supposed to drive away the trolls? :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
i have not seen a stock steel crank break yet, i seen a guy with a stroker 351 spit a piece of his crank out the pan, ive seen the guy with the 406 and a cpl others. trust me i am the one who got volunteerd for the sweep up dontcha hate that!?
every thing will fail but i has a lot to do with who built it i have many engine that have them types of cranks out there and many more i have rebuilt it not just the cranksQuote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
maybe im not making myself clear, i dont like to sell the country out :eek: there i said it :LOL:
ok now how about my rods :3dSMILE:Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
what about them
did you see my photo G i am sorry for showing my photo on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
hey do not worry about that it was sold out long ago you better not eat go out use a cell phone watch tv or live there more stuff out there then you think made not in the usa the best machines making your USA parts are not even made hearQuote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
Damn it Pat, I just spit up some Makers! :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
Kitz
hmmmm got em, didn't ya Pat????? Way to go!!!!!
yep thanks dave i had to share with some one:D need to send them in to crower to get the titanium re coated then i will recon themQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
sorry to hear of your loss i having one right now :3dSMILE:Quote:
Originally Posted by kitz
kewl!!!! I had been wondering if you got the deal done or not, thanks for the update!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
get the pistons and i over the hump but that will not happen for some time the heating bill is killing me at the shopQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
You and me both!!!! One more reason I don't miss the big shop, bet it was about $600.00 this month with all this sub zero weather!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
I hate to be the bearer of bad news ,but those were not hand diped in wax ,like they show ,it was machine diped in some sort generic plastic dip.........I just broke mine open mine last week......tried to melt the supposed wax seal for a proof check.well there was my proof....:CRY:Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
Even the rotten barley man is lyin ........:LOL:
Its still good tastin though......thats why it took ten minuts to type thriss :D
I've broke stock cast cranks, stock steel cranks, import cranks, and billet cranks.... Ain't no such thing as bullet proof, they all will break. Only reason you haven't broke any stock steel cranks Scooter is cuz you just haven't been at the go-fast game long enough yet.....!!!!!!!:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: I don't like to use the China stuff either, unfortunately there's not always a lot of choice if you don't want to put out the big $$$$$$ for the billet stuff... I've seen a lot of good forgings for sale on eBay lately, mostly used NASCAR and Busch stuff, wonder what the fatigue factor is on some of those pieces after a 500 mile race?????Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
i cut it with a knife yep not wax but very smooooooooothQuote:
Originally Posted by shawnlee28
i did a 632 that took two rods off the crank busted the oil rail out of a dart block and busted two of the bottom s of the bores up the china crank was welded two new china billet I beam rods two sleeves and i welded up the block with to new JE pistons all this was not from the crank or rods the cam was hitting the rods and did lose valve train this engine dyno over 900+hp with welded up parts you could not say any thing better with usa parts? could you????
Do something unheard of and make a mistake ,like forget to torque one or the cap bolts ,miss a shim or a few .001 here and a few .002 there and she is gunna blow first wide open run.
100,000 thousand dollar motors pop before they make a 1/4 mile of road time.....When you do more than get the groceries at 55mph,everything is a canidate to blow at any time,might just blow because it wants to.....with no actual culprit to be found ,it was just its time to go ,may have been metal fatigue ,may have lost tune ,might of had bad gas ........may of might could of should of would ...it happens the best and worst.....:whacked:
I had a 300 straight 6,I know ,I know ,here comes there was guy that had a engine type stories,but this was me and I know it was true :D the thing was unbreakable for me,it had bad valve springs is my now educated guess 20 years later....but I could hold it to the floor in first and it would just float the valves forever.....,basically you could floor it for however long you wanted and it would not blow,put 4.88 rear gears in the 9 inch and 33s on the ground ,I had that thing 5 feet off the groung ,under the tires ,I basically abused it in a bad way ,it never failed ,even when I had to pull over on the freeway and tighten the three bellhousing bolts that had no lockwashers and would loosen up to the point of the flexplate digging into the nose of the starter ,about every 300 miles............:LOL:
Then the next one I had after losing that one {long long story there} was garbage ,it seemed like every 20 miles it broke something or started running poorly for one reason or another ,basically a lemon in every aspect of the truck ...like night and day ,but were only one year different and had basically the same options....go figure:confused:
loose is fast
I have seen alot of those type parts on racin junk ,most are magnifluxed and checked for cracks /warpage etc......because its a major concern with most who want to purchase those parts.....My personal opinion on them is this ,its like vegas you got a 50/50 shot on black or red and then theres that green 0 00 that pops up every now and then ..... could be the one crank legends are built on or it could be a lemon.............sounds risky if you plan on pushing it with a part like that ,but it may well be worth the risk,depending on application and whether or not you "feel" lucky.:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Its long gone ............some one got a "deal" on it......:DQuote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
The old ,...now why is this one soo cheap deal ,it sounds tooo good to be true.........naw ,they just got over on a silly kid is all that happened.....:o