Thread: Welding VW fenders to body questions

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Originally Posted by v8notchman

No not yet. I would have to modify the mating surfaces to make them flat against each other. This would not be a big deal considering the amount of work any route will take. If I flattened out the mating surfaces and bonded them into place, would I then fill in the crack where the fender meets the body with a glass type filler like Don mentioned above? If I did it right, the crack would be very close and hardly noticable. It seems that I would have to cover the crack with some kind of filler to keep the paint from cracking.

Yes, and after you bond them (and they kick), just use Rage (or your preferred Filler, but I love Rage). If you were still concerned about strength you could use some Kitty Hair or Tiger Hair, but I wouldn't-Rage (as long as your are within reasonable thickness limits) will flex with the Body and not crack-(Evercoat, (Rage's Maker) says 1/8", I think more like a 1/4")-

Originally Posted by 35WINDOW

Yes, and after you bond them (and they kick), just use Rage (or your preferred Filler, but I love Rage). If you were still concerned about strength you could use some Kitty Hair or Tiger Hair, but I wouldn't-Rage (as long as your are within reasonable thickness limits) will flex with the Body and not crack-(Evercoat, (Rage's Maker) says 1/8", I think more like a 1/4")-

Thanks bro. My local auto body supply store carries Rage as well as kitty hair products. I'm going to stop by and get some more primer anyway so I'll ask them what they would suggest too.

for filling gaps there is many ways to go. two for now 1 a epoxy and glass mat/cloth or carbon fiber if you go this way you may post cure the resin 2 fine ground glass filler marglass duraglass . body fill like Rage is not what i use on a seam. if need some fill glass works much better and stronger

Originally Posted by v8notchman

Thanks bro. My local auto body supply store carries Rage as well as kitty hair products. I'm going to stop by and get some more primer anyway so I'll ask them what they would suggest too.

One last thing-I like Lord Fusor (and use it), but you have to buy a special Gun to use the tubes-the Fusor Guns are about $30-40 (they are side-by-side, like a double barreled shotgun)-I believe 3M (?) offers it in a tube that you can put in a regular Caulking Gun-wish you were closer, I'd loan you mine-

And if you haven't used Kitty Hair before, put it on thin-that stuff is like concrete, you have to grind it and then put Rage over it-

Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

for filling gaps there is many ways to go. two for now 1 a epoxy and glass mat/cloth or carbon fiber if you go this way you may post cure the resin 2 fine ground glass filler marglass duraglass . body fill like Rage is not what i use on a seam. if need some fill glass works much better and stronger

Pat, I completely respect your opinion (I lurk here a lot and look for your Posts), but if he uses an Adhesive I promise it won't move-I work for a Company that has GM Dealerships, and I go into the Body Shop and watch those Masters at work a lot-they will bond a Panel, then use the left over Bonding Agent to fill the Gaps-I'm not quite comfortable with that, but that stuff is amazing-

kitty hair is like cat hair balls in resin . a shorter strand glass would work better. on mixing guns i used lord bond glues in side engine blocks. for body stuff we used the 3m so you would want to look in the best bang of the buck

Originally Posted by 35WINDOW

Pat, I completely respect your opinion (I lurk here a lot and look for your Posts), but if he uses an Adhesive I promise it won't move-I work for a Company that has GM Dealerships, and I go into the Body Shop and watch those Masters at work a lot-they will bond a Panel, then use the left over Bonding Agent to fill the Gaps-I'm not quite comfortable with that, but that stuff is amazing-

well i know some about this not as much as you but i did tell him there was a another way to do this job and that was to use a bonder . how he finsh the out side is a outline by the two ways he could go after the gap in the out side joints if he wanted to i did body work in shops for 30 years of my life ... i was one of them master ..... Icar and state cert for frame and all the other fun stuff, i did not use a glue gun much at that time more so for SMC

Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

i was one of them master ..... Icar and state cert for frame and all the other fun stuff, i did not use a glue gun much at that time more so for SMC

Well then, nice to meet you........Mr. Master!

Originally Posted by 35WINDOW

Well then, nice to meet you........Mr. Master!

no it is MR Mc master i work in the dealer ship but i left there was a lot of screwing every body and any one . yes i was good at the body metal game .i made very good money at that time in my life and still would be doing it if the body was still willing , i put every drop of my life in to body and paint work and i do not have any problem say i was a master at it ... i still can back my mouth up on a good day