I was just thinking and it popped in my head what the problem is I am fairly certain I always work on my cams and timing chains on the engine stand except for this time and I forgot about the transmission it is in 1st gear with the clutch engaged, I think that would definitely hold it from turning worth a try anyway. Thanks for the replys and wish me luck I am going to try the idea and see if it will turn in neutral I think it will.

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