I thought about your second idea but it would scratch the hell out of the frame. I need to see if someone has plans on something like you explained or tips on how to build something like that for cheap and what to use. I was thining of some pully system attatched to the rafters above the celing and then a winch system or two but that would be lots of money and holes in the garage ceiling that my dad wouldn't wan't even though the holes can be repaired with putty unless the drywally ripped down... and we all know that would be bad. lol