oh ok, cool. i thought this type of gun was only good for a big fan pattern, i see they make detail hvlps, but wasnt gonna buy one. i dont know what a jobber is, but im buying from an auto paint store that supplies the area and they are a ppg diamond or platinum, or whatever dealer. they have been helpful. they should be cuz i dropped $500. the other day. i almost dropped a brick when they gave me the total. but i realized that it was alot of material so its cool. they gave me the p sheets on the dp and k36 filler and k36 sealer (which they suggested i use). do you agree with using the k36 sealer? oh and on the p sheets for the cap pressure on hvlp, does that refer to the gun pressure for the hvlp? im confused only becuz it says for the conventional gun use 40 psi "at the gun". how do i measure cap pressure?