Now that is exactly how I want the seat done in the T Roadster Don and I will be saving that photo with the one of the seat in the grey '32 Roadster Tim did for you so that the trim chap that gets to do mine knows exactly what I want. Interesting points also from you and Roger as I hadn't noticed so will go back and have a look but in saying that, Tim must have years of experience in the Auto Upholstery arena and having been your number one trimmer for many cars, I don't think he would want to place his testicles under the scissors by screwing up a trim job for you or anybody.