Thanks Kenny. Kenny is right I didnt mean that you or anyone else built junk, the point I was trying to get across is the fact I welcome all the new technology that has been introduced into the sport since the early years, I, personally, feel that it has greatly helped our sport in many ways, it has made it a lot easier for the novice builder to build a car that is much safer and reliable than was possible in the old days. I, myself, take advantage of the new technology that is available to me, and I am able to build a much better car now, than in the old days, and I can do it in less than half the time than in the old days. Streets, that is one of the unique things about our sport that I so much enjoy, everyone has has diffrent likes and dislikes, and everyone is encouraged to build or buy a car of their likeing, there are no carved in stone rules that say say everyone has to do the same thing. Indivualaity, thats what makes it great. In saying that the early cars which I built were not safe is not exactly correct, wherein I logged many many miles on those cars and have never , to this date, had an accident of any kind in any of them, but compared to todays standards and technology they rate way down toward the bottom of the scale. And I will be the first to admit that. Now Streets are you gonna tell me that the cars built back in the 50s and 60s and even into the 70s had the same degree of safety and technology built into them as the cars being built today, no way. Again, I apologise to anyone whom thought I said they built junk. Boy, I knew this was coming, but thats one of the few great things we have left, to a degree, freedom of speach. Jack