Thread: title legality?

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i am brand new to this so please bear with me.
online i keep seeing titles for sale.
what exactly are you supposed to do with these?
lie and say that it is for the car you just built that doesnt have one ?
i dont understand.
please enlighten me.
thank you
bill

what exactly are you supposed to do with these?
lie and say that it is for the car you just built that doesnt have one ?

Yep.

Don

i already know the correct procedure for titling/registering my build here in Colo.
i think I'll do it legal like.....

but i was curious.
i guess they are trying to keep the chop shops from flourishing.

last week i stood and watched while a state patrolman attached the VIN plate to my buddies car.
the patrolman was really cool.
and my buddy was tickled pink!

Like I always say, there is the perfect world and the real world. This is one area that fits into that philosophy. In the perfect world every old car you find in a field would come with a clean title and you and the previous owner would go to the DMV or tax office and transfer it like you would your 2005 grocery getter. We who play with these things know that isn't what usually happens. The chances of finding a 30 Ford body that rats have been living in for 50 years with the title are slim to none, so you have to improvise.

Sure, you can go through some title company, but I have even heard where some of those don't quite fit the letter of the law. You can do a reconstructed title or built from parts title, but State to State these vary in what you have to equip your car with to meet current laws. (emissions, safety equipment, etc)

The fact is, we rodders make up such a small percentage of the total cars on the road that it is sort of understood we aren't stealing them and aren't running chop shops. We are simply hobbyists who rebuild a car that has been laying dormant for so many years that the title has long since disappeared, or we are building a reproduction that never had one.

I know there will be flack on what I have just said, but if everyone is totally honest they know this is exactly what happens. Go to any rod run and if you think people are laying out $ 200 to $ 1000 for a title to frame and put on their wall as a "historical document" ........I have some great swamp land in the Everglades I would love to talk to you about.

Don


Oh, now for the legal disclaimer: I do not endorse or suggest anyone do anything such as outlined in the above. I have never met anyone who would do such an act, and if I did I would feel it was my duty to tell them to amend their ways and go straight. Nor have I ever seen any of the 6,000 cars that show up at a rod run like Turkey Run that I would suspect of having anything but a totally legitimate title for only that vehicle. (there, that should do it)

to be legal i need to.
have photos of the build and reciepts for all parts.
then jump through these hoops.
The main issue in getting a registration or title for a kit or rebuilt car is acquiring a vehicle identification number (VIN). If the vehicle is homemade, or the rebuilt model's VIN is missing or distorted, the state will assign a new one. The Colorado State Patrol (CSP) will then physically etch the number into the vehicle.

Steps to Getting a Colorado Assigned VIN
The first rung is having the vehicle inspected by a law enforcement official. This official will also fill out a form DR2365 which directs the emissions assessor on how to check the vehicle. The inspection fee is $20. Call your title and registration office for a referral list. While you have them on the phone, double-check whether the inspector will have the DR2365 form, or if you need to stop by the office and grab one. You will not find the form online.
If the vehicle is a home-built or a kit model, you will complete a Colorado Assigned Vehicle Identification Number Declaration of Facts form and then apply for the number by filling out the Application for Colorado Assigned Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). The fee is a $3.50 fee for this service.
Once the number is assigned you will take it and the completed DR2365 form to an emissions testing technical center operated by the Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE). For information or an appointment, call (303) 744-2442 (and press 3).
Passing the emissions test (if necessary) is the final step required to prepare the vehicle for titling and registration. From here, the process is pretty much the same as with other vehicles. Expect a $9.50 titling fee.

i also got to see a guy get his title seized as an illegal document.
no he wasnt happy....

Originally Posted by billy zz

i also got to see a guy get his title seized as an illegal document.
no he wasnt happy....

How did that happen?

Don

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

How did that happen?

Don

the state patrolman was there to put thie VIN tag on my buddies car.
while he was there another fella wanted his done too.
the cop looked at it carefully for a few minutes and then explained how he could tell it was a fake.
then he put it in his pocket while the guy threw a fit.
while the guy was still ranting the cop came over and was looking at my build and started explaining the importance of going through the correct procedures for titling and registering my car.

Wrong cop.

Don

i guess so.
he was super nice to me and my buddy.

Originally Posted by billy zz

the cop looked at it carefully for a few minutes and then explained how he could tell it was a fake.

I wonder what that cop would have said about the 48-53 chevy trucks. The VIN(serial)Tag can be held on w/ one of 3 things, clutch head screw, philip head screws or pop rivits & all 3 are correct, it all depended on the year & the plant on which they used. So who's to say your friends car was incorrect other then that cop....joe

I kinda wondered about his snap judgment on that too. I think the guy should have asked to see his Supervisor or something. I wouldn't have taken it lying down. Even authorities can be wrong.

Don

i think it had to do with the water mark.
it didnt look like a snap judgement to me.
he explained WHY it was an llegal document and HOW he knew it was.

p.s.
he wasnt just some cop.
he was about 60 years old and obviously knew what he was doing.