title legality?

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Originally Posted by Ken Thurm

This situation isn't going to stop here, if they are successfully at this and it generates the revenue they think it will, it will be coming to a town near you. I'm going to do as much as I can to fight this, and encourage everyone I know to do as much as possible. I'm not naive enough to think this is going to go away. They have been working on this for years and now have a base to work from.
Ken

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You are right Ken. When we lived in Southern California in the late 70's we saw things that didn't hit the rest of the country for 5-10 years. California always seems to be the birthplace of everything from food fads to emission standards to laws.

I've been saying for a long time that I sense the end of hot rodding as we know it is not too far off..........I can't put my finger on why I feel that way, I just have this feeling the do gooders and money grubbers are going to have their way. Lots of people have been saying it couldn't happen because of the vast number of us who are car hobbyists and also because we have groups like SEMA sticking up for us. I think the recent developments are showing us that those safeguards were not as bulletproof as we thought.

There are too many factors working against us. Environmental, financial, civic, and otherwise. They are writing us out of existence one law at a time.:mad:

Don

Don

Okay...............I want to know who's posting under Pop's ID..............comeon, fess up!

Just one symptom of what you're talking about. Latest Rasmussen poll; 56% against, only 38% for, the current healthcare proposals in Congress...............but the pols are going to push it down our throats anyway. It'll be the same on Cap and Tax next, and whatever else they decide they need to control we serfs. Any fight for freedom left in the country ? We'll see...............

See Bob, all along we have been Kindred Spirits and didn't realize it! :eek::LOL:



Don

NOW you're really scaring me......................

:LOL::LOL:

Come on Bob, give me a hug! :D:D:D:D


Don

In Wisconsin, if you do not have a title and need to apply for one you can do it a couple of different ways. Say you're building a 32 ford, you can title it as a homemade car, ( not good ) a 32 ford replica ( pretty good ) or as a 32 ford. The homemade title you need all the receipts & pictures etc. The replica is pretty much the same, the 32 ford way you need documentation that you purchased the car (a 32 Ford) from someone and there was no title. All of the above need to be inspected, however, the inspections differ in that the VIN on the frame has to be verified in all cases, but, the homeade car has to met federal regs, ie emissions, air bags, bumpers etc. the replica only has to meet the standards for the year it replicates, (much easier). If you have a frame with a vin number and "some" misc. parts, you can get a title that says 1932 Ford even if you use an aftermarket body, fenders, etc. as long as a police officer verifies the frame number, in the case of the homemade or replica the police will assign a vin and send it to the state along with the verification form. The nice thing about Wisconsin is that they will look at your receipts and total up the ones that you paid sales tax on and deduct that amount from the appraised value that they determine your car is worth, so in effect if they appraise your car at $25,000.00 and you have $15,000.00 in taxed receipts they will tax you on the difference, ( $10,000.00 ) While not a perfect scenario it's really about as fair as you can ask for, given the alternatives. Bottom line is to buy a piece of marshland here in Wisconsin and title it to your new northwoods address, (yes my tongue is in my cheek). :rolleyes:

I bought my 31 from Maine, which is a bill of sale state, on cars over 15 years old. even though I had a paper trail a mile long, the VIN could not be confirmed on the car, as it's stamped on top of the frame under the bodywork. our (Oregon) inspecting cop issued a new VIN for the car, but it remains a 1931 Ford (which may help explain why there are more cars registered than were built). he was, however, nice enough to explain that if I ever had the body off the car, he could inspect and verify the original VIN and re-issue the original VIN for the car and change my title back yet again.
As to the Californicators to my South...... I own an outdoor power equipment business in Oregon. the California air resources board (CARB) has been mandating emission rules for power equipment in CA for many years now. the problem for me is that the EPA has basicly stated that they can't afford to study the OPE (lawn equipment) emission "problem" themselves so whatever CARB decides to do in California, the EPA simply mandates as law for the rest of the country.
I suspect the same "logic" has, or will soon, hit the DMVs.

Cheers,
Lotsa

Hey Ken. Hang in there through this. I know you are thoroughly frustrated with this ordeal, but don't let it diminish your passion for the hobby. Take care

Thanks for all the contributions, I need to just calm down and see how this thing unfolds. It's just disheartening When something likes this is put into law, and something all of us is passionate about. I thoroughly enjoy building cars, it's calming to me, after a day at work it just relaxes me. I guess I just have to change how I do it, but sometimes I'm resistant to CHANGE. :CRY:
I'm done whining.
Ken

Hey Ken, I have an idea. Ship all your 32's to me and we'll keep them safe in our shop so when you come to visit you can drive them with no worries about any adverse laws. We'll need the keys too, in case we need to "move them around the shop." :rolleyes::D:D

You might be right, this California thing might not shake out as bad as it seems. After all, you guys have had fender and emission laws out there for years and you know how well that worked out. Keep building them Ken, we need the bar raised to where you put it on every build. :)

Don

kEN, CAN YOU NOT USE THE SB100 TITLING ROUTE?

Does anyone know what it take to get a title in Texas

A 60 year-old cop, with no appreciation of the streetrod hobby? What's this world coming to?

bill zz.........in Iowa, the process is pretty much the same, except you would pay 5% tax on your total receipts for the build upon getting the title.

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Originally Posted by roofcam

A 60 year-old cop, with no appreciation of the streetrod hobby? What's this world coming to?

bill zz.........in Iowa, the process is pretty much the same, except you would pay 5% tax on your total receipts for the build upon getting the title.

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are you kidding?
he shook my hand and wished me luck.
he also told me to listen to the guy that is showing me how to build this
and said i had a great teacher!
he is a heluva nice guy.
just dont lie to him or try to pull a fast one.

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Originally Posted by billy zz

are you kidding?
he shook my hand and wished me luck.
he also told me to listen to the guy that is showing me how to build this
and said i had a great teacher!
he is a heluva nice guy.
just dont lie to him or try to pull a fast one.

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You were a Boy Scout, weren't you Billy? :D:D




Oh come on, that was just a joke! :p:LOL::LOL:(But you are kinda squeeky clean)

I'm going to go cut the tags off of my new pillows that say "do not remove under penalty of law" and rebel against something!



Don

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Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

You were a Boy Scout, weren't you Billy? :D:D




Oh come on, that was just a joke! :p:LOL::LOL:(But you are kinda squeeky clean)

I'm going to go cut the tags off of my new pillows that say "do not remove under penalty of law" and rebel against something!



Don

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boy i got you fooled.
i have a confession to make.
actually i am a 46 year old stoner/punk/degenerate/heathen/neerdowell.
:LOL::whacked::rolleyes:

but i can straighten up and fly right for a few minutes at a time....
whew!
i felt like i was at an A.A. meeting there for a minute!

I've been following this thread since it was first posted and realize I am very lucky about where I live and how scary the future for traditional hotrodding is becoming.

As far as the titling portion, I have had a few customers over the years that I have build cars for that have not bothered with a title until after the project is finished. I just finished up one for a customer this spring who had been slowly but surely building it for that last 15 years. At the point it left my shop he had invested close to $30K in over that time. For me I just can’t see taking a chance with that much money on a vehicle I don’t technically own. I’ve put off the start on amny of my own projects several months in some cases because I WILLNOT start on them until I have good paper.

My experience in AZ for titling a car has been pretty painless (compared to other states) over the last few years. First off the there are a couple of avenues you can go to obtain a title, a bonded title (requires bonding insurance), filing abandoned on the vehicle, or specially constructed vehicle title (requires receipts on all parts purchased). Many years ago AZ used to accept titles from places like Broadway title, but my understanding is they no longer do.

Taxes are collected thru license plate fees meaning the newer and more expensive a vehicle is the more the plates cost and as the vehicle gets older the cost eventually bottoms out at about $30 for a 2 year registration REGARDLESS of the actual vehicle value.

The state has no periodic safety inspection requirements and only 2 areas (Tucson and Phoenix) require emissions testing. As I fortunately do not live in either area I’m pretty free to do some of the swaps I have and still be able to resister the vehicle. Although I’m not really up on the emissions testing I understand there are provisions for an exemption for cars designated as collector cars (requires collector car insurance).

Looking at the California law it would severely limit or eliminate some of the favorite swaps I have done over the years and the one I am currently doing (500 Caddy into an 83 El Camino). I can’t justify building them for myself if I can’t drive them on the street. Dictating specific “engine packages” for a swap would basically make hotroding pretty much cookie cutter.

As I said I know how lucky I am and I am also aware how quickly that could all change based on by the passage of a few new laws.

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Originally Posted by Bruce lee

kEN, CAN YOU NOT USE THE SB100 TITLING ROUTE?

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I'm not sure what that is.
Ken

Ken, it is the 500 sequence numbered exempt reg. that california puts out the first day of each year.