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I’m going to {quote} part of this article from our small town paper, I could scan the whole thing but it’s getting late. {Carol Anders Staff Writer Pilot News} Monday, June 16, 2008

Tim Bope
Said we’re too smart in this country too not be doing something.
For the past three years, Bope has been building and installing hydrogen fuel supplement units in his own automobiles and those of others.

After reading several articles and investigating possibilities on the Internet, Bope began making units that split ordinary tap water to make the hydrogen useable as a fuel supplement. He then attaches a unit utilizing the hydrogen into the air intact in automobiles.

He said he read articles from NASA that indicates that hydrogen use is certainly nothing new too scientist.

Bope said his wife Kim drives a 2006 Nissan Altima that had been averaging 25 miles per gallon. After installing his hydrogen use units, she now gets 44 miles too the gallon.
He said these could be used with virtually any vehicle on the road. His next personal project will be too install a unit too his motorcycle. He said he gets 50 miles too the gallon now, and wants too increase that too 100 miles.

Richard

Sky, anybody that has a "miracle" alternative fuel system doesn't need the federal government to supply $. There are several silicon valley venture capital firms that will throw piles of money at any program that remotely appears viable. If there is a legitimate system that is used in other parts of the world those boys would be on it like white on rice. If something genuine is to be found I'd bet those folks will finance it. And if you or anyone else thinks the "big evil oil companies" and their master, the more evil Darth Cheney, can buy those uber rich guys off you need to put down the Olbemann pipe.

Yeah, the Brasil ethanol story is really neat until you start studying the realities of it. They essentially use just about all they make, as you mentioned, from sugar cane. Sugar cane produces about three times more product per acre than corn, and the efficiencies of it as far as energy yield are increased by the use of the waste (cane stalks mostly) being used to fuel the conversion process. In this country we're mostly not able to grow sugar cane (Except Fl, and Hi), and our environmental watchdogs wouldn't allow us to burn the stalks either. Ethanol can't come close to surviving without federal subsidies, and foreign sources of sugar cane based ethanol are priced out because Congress won't drop a 54 cent per gallon import duty that makes that source uncompetitive. And if you think Brazil has forsaken petroleum based fuel you need to do a database search on Petrobras, and their latest OFFSHORE oil discoveries that will likely put them in the world's top 10 of oil producers. Since Petrobras is a state owned oil company, and Brazil is mostly a socialist nation the enviro nuts don't bother them. Hmmmm. They have also discoverd offshore oil under thick salt layers where geologists in the past believed there could not be oil reserves, so yet another potential expansion of previously unknown geologic formations that haven't been explored could be available to further expand the potential for more new crude discoveries.

There are all sorts of proposed alternaives out there, but over and over they fail to be price competitive when they have to be scaled up to meet the full market demand. There's only one other form of energy that has anything close to the distribution system in place to readily displace gasoline.........that's electricity, and again, even with all the chat about plug in hybrids, and Honda's newly announced vehiclle yesterday, they still only compete in a boutique market of short, local trips.

One thing though Bob, to produce marketable quantities of fuel in this country you need Gov. approval ie licensing , permits , ect. ect. Let alone the overwhelming process of getting approval to store , release , transport , sell said product . I have nothing against fossil fuels , but if you believe that there is enough oil or coal out there ( when we've made it possible for new millions of people around the globe to buy cars every quarter ) to not fully develope bio fuels , and that the oil companies/government ane not manipulating anything and everything involving oil , then I say YOU are the one smoking the funny stuff . I've taken 3 trips to Iraq , to work on the pipeline which the oil/gas companies of this country is building from there , through Afganistan , into Uzbekistan . Now the US was kicked out of the joint run airbase there in 05 . But you know that these idiots will keep us in Iraq working on and defending ( YES DEFENDING !!!! THERE ARE US SOLDIERS GUARDING IT ) a pipeline because of coruption , but I brought this up dispite very bad memories ( which I don't like to revisit ) to make a point . That point is that the oil/gas companies have way more influence in DC than all the silicon valley venture capital firms put together . And the fed bank and the international bank are tied strongly to the petro-chemical industry . And they have just as much pull in DC . Oh , I'm not a democrat or a liberal , I'm a republican . But for my money you can take all the pukes in DC ( dem and rep ) out -n- hang the lot and let GOD sort em out .

I am not a democrate, I am not a republican, I am not someone who believes everything the goverment tells me. I am an INDEPENDENT. I AM AN AMERICAN. You will not see a viable alturnitive to gas until the oil companys have it due to their distribution system already in place.Yet the federal government has been giving oil companys billions in tax breaks since the 70's in order for them to invest in other business not related to oil.This was being done so that big oil has a golden parachute when the oil runs out. Run out it will and it is only a question of when. Hydrogen is the best alturnitive and they are already setting up a distrubition system in southern california for test cars from toyota.

I have neither the time nor energy this morning to deal with the notion of the government not taking more of the honestly earned income of a company or individual being called a golden parachute or a gift. If you're a true independent you may not have meant that as you wrote it.

As for hydrogen being the future fuel it begs the question; where do you get the hydrogen?

I'm interested in hearing about the "billions in tax breaks" that the oil companies have received from the government..
...I have searched and can only find accelerated depreciation....those of you "experts" who are quoting these facts; can you point me to the facts you are quoting?
I'm interested in reading about them from a viable source..
but not some slanted enviro swill.

mike in tucson

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

As for hydrogen being the future fuel it begs the question; where do you get the hydrogen?

H2o 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen other wise known as water

Originally Posted by pizzi-man

H2o 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen other wise known as water

Well (no pun intended......maybe ) that's one of the two answers I expected. Coming from someone in No. Cal it surprises somewhat. You guys have been at a low level "war" with the folks to the south over water rights for something like 40 years. Your reserviors, e.g. Lake Shasta are reported to be at record lows. Those fine folks down south have a lot of cars. Where's the huge supply of water going to come from to convert into fuel (won't even try to get into where the energy to separate the h from the o will come from).

Not really trying to pick on you hear, it's just that folks seem to think more clearly when they have to justify their beliefs. And, you may be able to convince me to see something you're privvy to that I'm not.

For hydrogen, using the density of H2 = 10.1 KWH/gal. you can convert the volume of gasoline used daily in the USA to the equivalent volume of hydrogen....if you want to look at facts instead of wishing. Bob is right (of course), there is no established infrastructure to distribute these miracle energy sources....it took 100+ years for oil/gas to get where it is today. Of course, we should be working towards other energy sources BUT we can't expect any new source to be an overnight success nor should we piss away our economy and our way of life to make a change.

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

Well (no pun intended......maybe ) that's one of the two answers I expected. Coming from someone in No. Cal it surprises somewhat. You guys have been at a low level "war" with the folks to the south over water rights for something like 40 years. Your reserviors, e.g. Lake Shasta are reported to be at record lows. Those fine folks down south have a lot of cars. Where's the huge supply of water going to come from to convert into fuel (won't even try to get into where the energy to separate the h from the o will come from).

Not really trying to pick on you hear, it's just that folks seem to think more clearly when they have to justify their beliefs. And, you may be able to convince me to see something you're privvy to that I'm not.

Yes our water wars have posed to be a problem, like when we have to ration water while So Cal is filling swimming pools. Or when we get fined for using too much water while the local government is washing the streets to keep median strips green. I happen to be one of the lucky ones that has water year round just 3 feet from the surface. Our sewer charges are based on the amount of water we use X 2. As we pave over everything the ground can't absorb the water so we have flooding like in the mid west. You don't need to use drinking water to make the fuel.

Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

I have neither the time nor energy this morning to deal with the notion of the government not taking more of the honestly earned income of a company or individual being called a golden parachute or a gift. If you're a true independent you may not have meant that as you wrote it.

As for hydrogen being the future fuel it begs the question; where do you get the hydrogen?

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkk_0g1...y%3fid=1841989
Maybe this is honestly earned income or mabe this is the result of being with the chosen few. I personally can not see any justification for making this kind of money honestly.

Originally Posted by pizzi-man

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkk_0g1...y%3fid=1841989
Maybe this is honestly earned income or mabe this is the result of being with the chosen few. I personally can not see any justification for making this kind of money honestly.

When I was walking steel beams in the late 60’s on story jobs downtown Chicago, A man told me when he found out that I was making $6.00 per hour he said, “ No man alive is worth that kind of money." If he could see this guys pay per hour!!!

Richard

Didn’t you guys see this car it has it’s own machine too convert water too hydrogen fuel?

I mentioned this car in an earlier post but I thought you guys would have seen it on the news but incase not here it is.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/139528...runs_on_water/

There is more to the story about the car on this link.


http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_23767.aspx

Richard

Originally Posted by ford2custom

Didn’t you guys see this car it has it’s own machine too convert water too hydrogen fuel?

I mentioned this car in an earlier post but I thought you guys would have seen it on the news but incase not here it is.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/139528...runs_on_water/

There is more to the story about the car on this link.


http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_23767.aspx

Richard

Ask your self why it take the japanese to do something like this. Their government is not run by big oil?

Originally Posted by ford2custom

Didn’t you guys see this car it has it’s own machine too convert water too hydrogen fuel?

I mentioned this car in an earlier post but I thought you guys would have seen it on the news but incase not here it is.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/139528...runs_on_water/

There is more to the story about the car on this link.


http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_23767.aspx

Richard

You've done your fellow CHR's a favor. Everyone who believes this is legit and is the answer to a maiden's prayer should scrape up every dime they can and invest NOW! If you missed Microsoft in the beginning, if you missed Google in the beginning, you might have been able to claim you didn't understand those industries well enough to take the risk. Well, here's something that everyone is an expert on..............time to put up the dough and make a fortune! Time to stop being envious of the "big, rich oil guys"......take some risk, it's the only way you'll ever stand a chance of making it big.

That being said, that company says they have no idea when they'll be going to market with this car. Not sure why that is, but they know the viablility of their product better than me. What I'm talking about is all the people in this country who seem to be banking on some unspecific miracle, be it solar, wind, bio, or whatever, none of it is ready for prime time. To remain competitive in the world market we need cost competitive energy. The rest of the world is drilling, drilling, drilling, or making long term deals. Other countries are building electricity plants by the dozens, including nukes. Only this country ties it's own hands on energy production.