Thanks, i'll check into that. I did some research on dangeroustoys leads, and managed to narrow my choices. Tucci engineering looks promising, along with Barry White, kennys rod shop, Posies, Rad Rides, Roy Brizio, even the So-Cal boys. I even got a phone call from Chip Foose(surprized me, i thought i would maybe get a call from his secretary), seems like a real nice guy. There is a 3-5yr wait. I have something planned with him, but first i need a more intermediate builder. Dave Tucci seems to have a foose like attitude towards rods, anybody got an opinion on him?. I can't seem to find much on what Coddington is up to lately other then the boydster 2, is he slowly retiring or what?. thanks for the input CHR.