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Bill S, I was partially with you on your response until your second paragraph, which got way too personal with respect to Jay's faith. Moderators on this forum have emphasized the need to "not get personal" in their posts, and I am sincerely disappointed that you did so.

Originally Posted by Henry Rifle

Bill S, I was partially with you on your response until your second paragraph, which got way too personal with respect to Jay's faith. Moderators on this forum have emphasized the need to "not get personal" in their posts, and I am sincerely disappointed that you did so.

The play "on christian faith" was his card, not mine, whenever I see someone add his/her faith as "the superior to all others" (regardless of what faith that it), I get very defensive. Contrary to popular belief, this country was not built on a "Christian value", in fact the founding fathers distinctly and eloquently placed a separation between church and state, even though they do have "in god we trust", they did not spell out who's god, or what god (and I could care less what race or religion someone is, I like them as the person they are, or I do not. Same reason why I married for love, and not the religion my wife is), just "in God", which can be taken 1,000 different ways.......You can argue the point until we are all blue in the face, but the facts remain.


Back to the subject at hand, if it was not for the plane flying towards the picture of the twin towers (it is poor judgement and taste), I would not have been so critical. But since it's there, and it set the hair on the back of my neck straight up, I was, and I still am, hyper critical of the art piece as a whole. My opinion of it will not change, you all have the right to agree, or disagree with my statements, in part, or as a whole. That my friends is the beauty of being a US citizen.

Bill S.


PS: Even a moderator has his right to an opinion when asked for it..........

Originally Posted by mrmustang

The play "on christian faith" was his card, not mine, whenever I see someone add his/her faith as "the superior to all others" (regardless of what faith that it), I get very defensive. Contrary to popular belief, this country was not built on a "Christian value", in fact the founding fathers distinctly and eloquently placed a separation between church and state, even though they do have "in god we trust".....


Bill S.


PS: Even a moderator has his right to an opinion when asked for it..........

Bill, you need to go back and study your American History. We hear too often the term "separation of church and state", but those words are not found in any of the documents forming our basic tenets of the Republic. What the First Amendment says is this :

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

If you study history, and specifically pay attention to Thomas Jefferson, the concern was keeping the state out of church, not vice versa. Having just declared independence from England, where the Anglican Church was the State Church, Jefferson was determined that this situation not be repeated, and had already addressed it in the forming papers of Virginia. Take time to read some of the basic history from the 1770's and you'll find a strong overtone of religion in the direction of our founding fathers when they wrote the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence, and that's a fact that cannot be refuted if one takes time to examine the history.

I expect that now you'll choose to close the thread, even though you are the one who drug religion into the discussion (read Post 11 carefully, especially the "but...") and brought us down this path.

Originally Posted by mrmustang

PS: Even a moderator has his right to an opinion when asked for it..........

Bill, it wasn't so much your thoughts that I was referring to, but rather the snarky way you formulated them. Something many on this site have been slapped down for. If moderators are not held to the same standard as the members, I guess that's your choice.

Later . . .

Originally Posted by Henry Rifle

Bill, it wasn't so much your thoughts that I was referring to, but rather the snarky way you formulated them. Something many on this site have been slapped down for. If moderators are not held to the same standard as the members, I guess that's your choice.

Later . . .

I agree 100%, I should have known better, and my post was partially a kneejerk reaction. But, it's out there, if I delete it, or the thread as a whole, then it becomes self serving as a cover up. Something I am not willing to ever be labeled as. Regardless, I am human just like the rest of you, and this thread shows it, good, bad, or otherwise.

Bill S.