Thread: God Bless Gen. McChrystal

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[QUOTE=Dave Severson;390498]I'm probably one ot the most anti-war, anti-government, anti most everything that interferes with my life.... But I do remember from my time in service that this post from Pat is how a real soldier behaves, and a general is nothing more or less then a soldier, right?????

I agree with most of the comments but I think this is wrong.

"A general is nothing more or less then a soldier, right?????”

Dave, everyone is entailed to their opinions but to say a General, is nothing more or less then a Solider, in my opinion is wrong. I spent 3 years in the Army; my deceased brother was in the Army for 6 years the last year was spent in Viet Nam. I know you were in Viet Nam and you deserve respect like everyone who has ever spent time in the service and especially war. I talked to a WW2 veteran yesterday when he was taking me to the pre-op for yet another surgery, I asked if he still knew his serial number he went right into US…….. I gave him my Ra……. number we talked about how that is one number you will never forget he was 82 years old volunteering at the Hospital. Dave when you say a General is more or less just a Solider you’re not giving due respect for them devoting their career's in the Armed Forces. I know I couldn’t have spent that much time in could you? You must not or you would have stayed. I know you were injured as well as my brother in-law. My brother in-law passed away this past November he was disabled but the complications from Agent Orange caused his death.

Obama could not or would not wear the flag on his lapel. Was that a form of insubordination or disrespect? A person that has no leadership qualities should not be the Chief. He did not spend one day in the Military to even know what the roles of ranking personnel duties are. I hear a lot of I this and I that but includes us or we when he says we have to tighten our belts and make sacrifices and we have a tough battle ahead of us. One person said you don't get to be a General by not being a smart person but we have been shown that a person can be President by not having the Military knowledge.

I have a Nephew that is getting reading to come home after his third time in Iraq his rank is a Colonel and he has been in the service for 18 years. Not everyone is qualified to give so much. I knew the chain of command and I respected it. But I don’t respect someone who has no expertise over the experience. The Presidents office was bought the General paid his dues for his position.


If this portion is construed as political and needs to be deleted I could or the Moderator could. I wasn’t trying to go too far but if I did I could get it off.


I believe his main campaign promise was to get us out of war. He spends money left and right when he should be creating jobs like the WPA or anything to give people pride to make money instead of continuing to extend unemployment. He said he was one who did not vote for war on his campaign trail, how far has that come? My self I think a commander in Chief should have some back grown in the Military before sending troops anywhere.

In a War Country where people had no money, my Niece was in the Army and was guarding Iraqi civilians to empty water bottlers with expiration just to give them a job to make money. There could there be jobs where people could get paid. They could pick up trash on the road ways, I could think of several things that people could be paid for instead of feeling like they were taking a hand out after their jobs were done away with.

Richard

Joke! The Prez has the thinnest skin I've ever seen. He has the worst polices I've ever seen as well!

I am with you on that NTFDAY.
Kurt

Here's an angle I doubt anyone has considered. McChrystal has decades of service, and is no dummy. I'm thinking this was all done on purpose to force Obama to order him to retire because the marching orders cooked up by the White House and VP "Bite-Me" for the Afghanistan operation would have put McChrystal in an unwinnable situation that would leave a stain on his military career.

From the lowest grunt to the highest brass it's a soldier's right to complain about the clowns running the circus, but you don't do it in front of civilians.

Originally Posted by Lord Antagonism

Here's an angle I doubt anyone has considered. McChrystal has decades of service, and is no dummy. I'm thinking this was all done on purpose to force Obama to order him to retire because the marching orders cooked up by the White House and VP "Bite-Me" for the Afghanistan operation would have put McChrystal in an unwinnable situation that would leave a stain on his military career.

From the lowest grunt to the highest brass it's a soldier's right to complain about the clowns running the circus, but you don't do it in front of civilians.

This very thought occurred to me. But, since he has stepped on his goober string before, I think he just did it one too many times and in a fashion that could not be tolerated. If he wanted out, all had to do was announce his retirement for personal reasons. Others had mentioned General MacArthur as a comparison, I think General Patton would be a better choice. Brilliant military mind that let his mouth get him in trouble.

Let's hope that General Patraeus and the troops in theater can be successful. Afghanistan is a tough nut to crack, just ask the Soviets and others before them.

Pat

Sometimes things need to be said in a open forum like that so that people can see what's really going on.
If he would have gone up against Obama in private, Obama would have tried to make his whole team look incompetent.
See the Politicians are supposed to take recommendations from their Generals, obviously they are not doing that!
If they were following his recommendations, the interview would have been a lot better.
Politics can get a lot of soldiers killed as we seen with Vietnam.
And if some of you have noticed the other side is not exactly playing by the rules either.
And Gen. Mc Crystal knows this, he's the one that’s been on the ground over there the whole time.
Never the less Gen. Petraeus is a great man and I hope he leads our troops and our country to Victory.
Kurt

The saddest part of ALL OF THIS, is that it ONLY boils down to "money movers" and "getting re-elected" - - - - NOT winning the WAR or protecting our Troops!

I know where you are comming from Louey.
They vote everyone pay cuts then give them selves raises.
Go figure!!! Politics at it's best.
Kurt

I agree Mello

Tough decision for POTUS to make, here is a quote that might offer some insight...

“The amazing thing about it is there’s no complaints from McChrystal or his staff about the administration on any substantive ground. After all, McChrystal and his allies won the argument within the White House. All the criticisms — of Eikenberry, of Jones, of Holbrooke, of Biden — are actually just immature and arrogant snipes at how annoying Team America (what, apparently, McChrystal’s crew calls itself) finds them. This is not mission-first, to say the least.”

So what some of you are saying is all the military personal should be "YES" men/women and shouldn't speak the truth when it involves not only my child but 10's of thousands of other people children, wives, husbands, sons, daughters, and other friends & family members. Personally I'd rather be told the truth by someone who knows what is truly going on & has the guts to say it rather then a "NOBODY" who doesn't know squat about not only fighting a war let alone running this country.
Having Obama as the head of our military is about as stupid as me doing brain surgery.
Just because I seen it done on the health channel doesn't make me a doctor even if I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

Oh and personally I would have told anyone who had the gonads to tell me I "HAD" to apologizes to the Pres. to go(& I'm saying this nicely so it doesn't get deleted) go drop dead. Because those words would have NEVER came out of my mouth in a million years, I have TOO much pride to let some NOBODY tell me what to do. Especially when most of the world & more then half of Americans thinks he's is a failure in every way. But then what do we expect from a NOBODY who has basically no political background, no military experience and during the time he was a Illinois Senator he didn't show up to do his job more then 50% of the time. But then what do we expect from a guy from Illinois's World Famous "CROOK" County...joe

Geez Toomany... what are your true feelings??? BTW... I agree with your thoughts and think that the only thing General MC did wrong was voice his opinion in the wrong venue. No matter what happens he still has his pride for saying what he thought needed to be said. Look at it this way, he'll retire, write a book which Hollywood will make a movie of and he'll be rich! Sounds like a plan to me and then he can tell Mr. Obama to... anything he wants at that point! Greg

Originally Posted by bluvelle65

Geez Toomany... what are your true feelings??? BTW... I agree with your thoughts and think that the only thing General MC did wrong was voice his opinion in the wrong venue. No matter what happens he still has his pride for saying what he thought needed to be said. Look at it this way, he'll retire, write a book which Hollywood will make a movie of and he'll be rich! Sounds like a plan to me and then he can tell Mr. Obama to... anything he wants at that point! Greg

Greg, what do you think he got($'s) from the Rolling Stone Rag??? This could be the plan, he's no fool.

Originally Posted by TooMany2count

Having Obama as the head of our military is about as stupid as me doing brain surgery.


during the time he was a Illinois Senator he didn't show up to do his job more then 50% of the time. But then what do we expect from a guy from Illinois's World Famous "CROOK" County...joe

First of all, The Obamination has never had a job in his life where he had to do a budget, hire and administer people and work 8-5. He was a community organizer

Next - he, if I recall had a 143 day job as senator before he started running around the country for the presidency, then of that 50% of the time noted he was at the Senate, much of the time he voted 'Here' rather then commit himself to a position. While in statistics it doesn't indicate a position, it does show attendance. And yes, I am a 'birther'. He hasn't yet nor has anyone else convinced me that he is Constitutionally qualified or electable. If he ever produces a real birth cert, then I'll change my mind.

His direction in Afghanistan has cost increased numbers of American and other NATO countries young folks lives. We haven't had very many soldiers from my area killed in either Iraq or Afghanistan, but there were two local kids killed in the past week. Sad!!

I hope General Petraeus has the cojones to get the job done here. He made it happen in Iraq.

Q: "Why did Barack Obama take up golf?"

A: "Because he heard it was a sport where you could improve your lie."

mike in tucson