watch how you drive

The other day, I am sitting in my little chevette going to work.. in my dark blues, wearing shades and my cru cut.... all of which makes me suspiciously look like an off duty cop anyway.

Well, i am sitting at a red light, and the moment it turns green, this kid on a crotch rocket screams around me on the right, driving through the gutter.

Well, he stops accelerating when he gets to the speed limit and I am able to catch up to him.

I shoved my concealed weapons permit ( GOLD BADGE ) through the window, and I think he nearly soiled himself.

After that, he slowed down, stayed W A Y behind me, and drove like a decent human being.


Hey, i just showed off my concealed weapons badge, what he made of it is of his doing.

GOD IT WAS SO FUNNY! Dude TOTALLY thought he just pissed off an off duty cop!

I got one for you! I've driven fuel trucks for the last 20 some years now.
Well comming in and out of the port from getting our fuel there is all kinds of railroad
tracks. We must stop for all the tracks and cars get pissed and race around us on double yellow lines. Since alot of our turn are just before or after the crossings, drivers are getting run into all the time, by people that get in a hurry.
So I had some train horns installed on the truck.
You've never seen anyone turn white till you see them come acrossed a double yellow line and come around at 45mph when the limit 20mph and hear them train horns and knowing they can't stop it time. Yep that look of fear in their eye's and skidding
tires tell the whole storie. I even got one of the fuel deptment managers who came up laughing saying you got me, what else could he say he knew he was wrong.
I know it sounds mean but it wouldn't be any better if there was a train comming and they blew us all up just because thier in a hurry.
So I just give them a little to think about, if you know what I mean. Kurt

You sould get that on tape!

Glad to see you're having fun with the kids down there in Georgia.:D Had it been me, I would never have pulled over for anybody in a Chevette, matter of fact there were days gone by that I probably wouldn't have pulled over for a real marked car. :eek:

Just about any crotch rocket bigger than a Vespa, would leave the Chevette in the dust. Guess you got lucky the kid wasn't on a big bike.:LOL:

Well, have fun with that till you try it on a real cop......

And like Mopar said, even in the shop truck I sure as heck wouldn't pay much attention to a Chevette---if it was the Chief of Police driving it.....:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

It might have been even more amusing if the kid on the crotch rocket turned out to be a under cover cop or an recent police academy graduate.:LOL::LOL::LOL:

Yes, that would have been amusing.. to see th look on the cop/academy graduate's face when they are standing at attention in front of their boss's desk, explaining why they illegally passed on the right..and the look on his boss's face when I ask him if this is the standard of conduct I can expect from his subordinates.

AS for me being 'lucky' the kid wasn't on a bigger bike.. his bike was plenty big enough to dust a chevette!

Actually, it probably wouldn't have happened except that I was already in a fowl mood.. Two intersections earlier a big black truck turned right into the roadway, cutting me off. I had to swerve hard to the right ( I was lucky that the lane was available ) and passed him. Well, then he pulls up beside, me, reving his engine, and swerving within inches of my vehicle. He had blacked out windows, and I couldn't see in. yes, I was concerned for my safety. I was in the process of drawing my Springfield .40 when he decided to back off.

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Originally Posted by firebird77clone

Yes, that would have been amusing.. to see th look on the cop/academy graduate's face when they are standing at attention in front of their boss's desk, explaining why they illegally passed on the right..and the look on his boss's face when I ask him if this is the standard of conduct I can expect from his subordinates.

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That would Never happen!!! I know for a fact!

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Originally Posted by firebird77clone

yes, I was concerned for my safety. I was in the process of drawing my Springfield .40 when he decided to back off.

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If I was next to you and saw you draw your gun and I was in a car! I would turn into you so fast you wouldn't have had time to think! It would Not have been the 1st time for me, would it be for you??? On a bike, I'd hit the brakes, and now I'm behind you in your blind spot with the gun! Either way, you'd loose, not me!

Watch who you play with, they might have already planed what to do.

Pat

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Originally Posted by firebird77clone

Yes, that would have been amusing.. to see th look on the cop/academy graduate's face when they are standing at attention in front of their boss's desk, explaining why they illegally passed on the right..and the look on his boss's face when I ask him if this is the standard of conduct I can expect from his subordinates.

AS for me being 'lucky' the kid wasn't on a bigger bike.. his bike was plenty big enough to dust a chevette!

Actually, it probably wouldn't have happened except that I was already in a fowl mood.. Two intersections earlier a big black truck turned right into the roadway, cutting me off. I had to swerve hard to the right ( I was lucky that the lane was available ) and passed him. Well, then he pulls up beside, me, reving his engine, and swerving within inches of my vehicle. He had blacked out windows, and I couldn't see in. yes, I was concerned for my safety. I was in the process of drawing my Springfield .40 when he decided to back off.

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So, you're in a bad mood, flashing some silly badge, and start pulling a gun!!!! Wow, and we don't need to be concerned about people carrying concealed weapons!!!!! You're ready to shoot somebody on a scooter cuz he passed you on the right and you're in a bad mood..... :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL: IMO, with a temperment like that you shouldn't be allowed to carry a concealed slingshot!

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Originally Posted by HemiTCoupe

That would Never happen!!! I know for a fact!






If I was next to you and saw you draw your gun and I was in a car! I would turn into you so fast you wouldn't have had time to think! It would Not have been the 1st time for me, would it be for you??? On a bike, I'd hit the brakes, and now I'm behind you in your blind spot with the gun! Either way, you'd loose, not me!

Watch who you play with, they might have already planed what to do.

Pat

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actually, without realizing it, you made the very points I was trying to make.

You think you can intimidate / assault people because you are driving a bigger vehicle? think twice, it could end badly.

I have a very SERIOUS attitude / responsibility towards weapons. Carrying is a privledge which one can easily loose ( as you inferred ). I would NEVER draw my weapon unless I was going to use it. Dude's pass side door would have had three or four holes in it before he ever saw the weapon.

Doesn't sound like a good ending for either of us, does it?

No, I don't go around waving my gun at random people for some subverterd feeling of superiority or power. In the years that I have carried, this was the first time I started to draw. I guess you just weren't there, or else I didn't describe it well enough.

And for the kid on the bike.. who knows, he might think twice before he drives stupid, just because he doesn't 'see' any cops. Might even save his or anothers life? Oh, and btw, it was also the first time I 'flashed my badge'. And, I never had any intention of shooting the punk on the bike. He was ( mostly ) just endangering himself.

Firebirdclone, you should not post your road rage problems with a gun, in a non gun type forum. Posts like this in gun related forums would get you roasted, especially the part about a "badge", I know of no badges issured to CCW permit holders. You and I know the only reason to pull a weapon. If you were in a vehicle and could leave the scene, you did not have justification to pull your weapon. Had you shot someone from your car, with them in another vehicle, you would be typing in prison now. Why don't you ask the moderators to delete this thread nothing good can come of it.

I am very pro-gun but.....it's an irresponsible attitude that will get our gun rights taken away...and all it will take is a small change in public attitude.

Concealed carry pemits should be shown to two classes of persons; appropriate law enforcement persons who ASK to see them and to the person at the counter when you buy a gun. Nobody else should see the permit; waving it around will certainly help most people develop an anti-gunner attitude.

Here in Arizona, we just had a case of a guy who was "cut off" by a speeder....the guy pulled the speeder over and it was a cop on his way home. Impersonating an officer is a crime in most states and waving a fake badge, a badge-looking device, etc is included in that crime definition. This guy in Arizona now has charges filed against him.

I may carry a gun but I do so with the intent that most people do not know that I carry...flaunting it will only provoke a fight...and nobody ever wins in a fight anymore.

mike in tucson

Why can't we all just get along ?:whacked:

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Originally Posted by firebird77clone

actually, without realizing it, you made the very points I was trying to make.

You think you can intimidate / assault people because you are driving a bigger vehicle? think twice, it could end badly.

I have a very SERIOUS attitude / responsibility towards weapons. Carrying is a privledge which one can easily loose ( as you inferred ). I would NEVER draw my weapon unless I was going to use it. Dude's pass side door would have had three or four holes in it before he ever saw the weapon.

Doesn't sound like a good ending for either of us, does it?

No, I don't go around waving my gun at random people for some subverterd feeling of superiority or power. In the years that I have carried, this was the first time I started to draw. I guess you just weren't there, or else I didn't describe it well enough.

And for the kid on the bike.. who knows, he might think twice before he drives stupid, just because he doesn't 'see' any cops. Might even save his or anothers life? Oh, and btw, it was also the first time I 'flashed my badge'. And, I never had any intention of shooting the punk on the bike. He was ( mostly ) just endangering himself.

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Heck, I think you should be the national spokesman for the gun lobby!!! Us anti-concealed weapons for all crowd would win in a week!!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

I was thinking the same way and didnt like how this thing went down either.I did not reply earlier thinking I would be accuse of being to harsh.

My wife was telling me about a situation at her job where a couple young guys with a concealed license started a big deal about carrying there guns on the job site, they build tractors.... The company broke down and told them they can carry on premises if guns are not loaded. Now , what kind of sense does that make? Does it make some people feel like a bigger guy to have a gun. Why fight to carry and let everyone know you are caring with no bullets? Just plain stupid to me. Point of my story , just to point irresponsibility of owning a gun.....I have owned pistol i carry for the last 20 years and know one has seen it.

Actuall, I won't have this post deleted, but if the moderators deem it necessary, so be it.

The roasting is good for me. It has allowed me to reflect on my actions.

I was clearly in the wrong.

But one thing.. road rage was mentioned.. at no time was I angry. ( with the truck ) It all happened very quickly.

First.. The guy pulled out in front of me. He has a large powerful vehicle, and he was at a full stop at a red light. It was well within his legal right to make the turn.

had I rear-ended him, it would have been my fault. It is nearly impossible to escape fault when you rear end someone.

Now, obviously my feeling of endangerment was misplaced, regardless of the large chrome step plate bumper with the protruding trailer hitch, right at my eye level. The fact that I easily avoided the collision speaks highly to the fact that it is my responsibility to avoid other drivers, not their responsibility to avoid placing me in danger.

However, the method of my avoidance was plain wrong. First, I made a lane change within 30 feet of an intersection, which is clearly illegal. Legally, I should have locked up the brakes and taken the chance that the window pillars would indeed have stopped the trailer hitch before it took my head off. Second, by passing the truck at a high rate of speed, I endangered HIS feeling of security, superiority, and authority afforded him by his larger, more powerful vehicle.

Furthermore, when he accelerated to beside my vehicle, crossed the white line into my lane, revving his motor aggressively, he was merely asserting his dominance, reminding me that I should not have passed him so rapidly.

That I felt concerned for my safety at this point, was certainly absurd. As pointed out, I should not have felt inclined to defend myself, but should have instead done whatever possibly to leave the situation, showing submission and ensuring his feeling of dominance.

lastly.. flashing the badge.. ( it is NOT a FAKE badge ).. I'll admit, I was willfully impersonating an officer of the law. It was indeed my sole intention that the punk on the rice rocket think I was a cop and chill out. The fact that it worked is irrelevent, the ends cannot justify the means.

It was not my position to attempt to recitfy his reckless driving. Even should his actions have ( immediately ) resulted in a severe collision, possibly causing death to himself or others, it was not my doing, not my fault, and not my position to interfere.

Roast away, but I believe I get the point.

Just because I legally carry a weapon does not justify me to use it in self defense. My only true legal action is to run away, and turn a blind eye to criminal action, as the rest of the sheeple do.

I'm not looking to make any enemies but I have to have my say. I know you said that anger was never an issue. In general if fear caught you by suprise because someone made an illegal lane change....your in some serious trouble. IMO it still borders a form of road rage. Come on....I saw at least a dozen traffic infractions this morning on the way to work at 5 am. I too have gotten upset thinking all the while that everyone should adhere to our nations traffic laws (you know....equal rights for all...yeah right)....and for soo many....they just get away with anything because they either know someone or have the money to get there butts out of a sling. After driving a truck for several years, and then moving into a job that requires I drive a branded vehicle (must keep a polite image to my customers), and riding race bikes and cruisers alike......I've learned to always keep a defensive driving position.....with a 'look the other way' attitude. People will be people. And life has become so multi-tasked that everyone seems in a hurry for the stupidest reasons.

You guys are ALL right.......and you guys are ALL wrong.

There has been many a time I'd like to bust someone up with a tire checker to beat some sense into them. Thats exactly why I quit carring guns unless I head across country. It is my duty to my family to protect myself....they depend on me. But I wont sacrifice that for a possible stretch in prison for something foolish. Man....what would you have done if he provoked or taunted you? Shot him? As I recall...concealled carry means you never brandish your weapon unless you have to use it. Period. No one is suppose to every know that you have one. Hence...concealed. You asked for the bar-b-que by posting that you concidered pulling your weapon. Come on?

I figure its all about patience with fellow man. My patience level has to go up a notch every year it seems.

Dave G

I've got an even bigger gripe. I am absolutely sick of the police handing out 'blue line' stickers to every Joe they know. We have a town of over 12,000 and I bet you a 1/4 of it has a 'blue line' sticker on their vehicle. Stickers everywhere. People everywhere driving 15-20 MPH over speed limit....just because they know a cop. :mad: Makes a man feel 'postal' at times. Again....hence, I dont carry a gun anymore.

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figure its all about patience with fellow man. My patience level has to go up a notch every year it seems.

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Actually my patience level seems to go down every year, maybe even monthly. You seem to get that way when you have to drive 100 miles a day in heavy rush hour traffic. But I don't routinely carry a gun, so there is less likelyhood of my capping someone out of anger and frustration. :eek:

I'm confused.... In post #1 it was a kid on a crotch rocket....but in #16 it's a big truck......

Did you badge flash and pull a gun on two different dudes the same day?????

I am Not confused Lot's of Anti-Gun Folks Here :rolleyes:

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I'm confused.... In post #1 it was a kid on a crotch rocket....but in #16 it's a big truck......

Did you badge flash and pull a gun on two different dudes the same day?????

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Dave, you must not have read all of them, read #7 also!


I Don't have a premit, and I don't carry a gun either! I was making an example on what some one might do on a bike.

But I did have a guy going down the road, and wouldn't let me back in the right lane after I had tried to pass him going about 30 in a 50 zone, he would go faster, and then stop when I would, and I had cars coming at me! I turned right into him! He was driving a nice '68 Skylark, I was in a Toyota pick up! I did get out of the left lane! It was me going to work, and he had 3 with him in his car, we stopped with him in the bush's and my truck against his door, the I told a lady to call the cops, they showed up and told me to leave, they held them, and I don't know what happen after that to them. But he did say they weren't from around there.

Pat

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I am Not confused Lot's of Anti-Gun Folks Here :rolleyes:

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I'm not anti-gun. I can promise that. I rather enjoy turkey hunting in the Ozarks, a day every couple months shooting clay pigeons with the buds, varmint hunting, and spend several boxes of rounds every year staying proficient with my Glocks and Casuul. I just dont see the need to carry while making routine trips to work or town. Too many people, like myself, with 'Anger Management' issues. I guess I live in a sheltered community where very little crap happens. Has America really gotten that bad. Yeah....If you lived in Compton I could see a mans need to fear trips to the grocery store. Better yet.....perhaps its time to move if its that bad. Let the thugs have the big cities.

For the most part I dont see any need for a conceal carry permitt. Cant go near schools, government buildings, and no one can ever know you carry. While I know there is no such thing as ignorance of the law.....I'd still rather stand in front of a jury without a conceal carry permitt after protecting myself........with the permitt you are drilled with what you can and cant do. There is no excuse.

Really....unless you live in a city that has laws restricting handguns.....display that gun in plain site for all to see. I can still remember 20 years ago it wasnt uncommon to be at WalMart or MagicMart and youd run across someone with a revolver on thier hip....just an average joe...not a police man. Not sure why they felt the need to carry one to the store....must've been an empowerment thing.

I carry when I make trips away from home. I leave the gun in open site (in a pistol rug unless I leave the vehicle. Then....it is concealed. I use to conceal it while driving but a state policeman that I know told me if I had an accident and was rendered unconcious, I was placing myself at the mercy of whatever policeman worked the accident.

This world is soo puzzling at times.

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I am Not confused Lot's of Anti-Gun Folks Here :rolleyes:

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I think you missed again Tango... I'm not anti-gun, that's a label some on here like to throw at anyone who doesn't see the necessity of everyone and their brother thinking they should carry a concealed weapon..,..

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Dave, you must not have read all of them, read #7 also!


I Don't have a premit, and I don't carry a gun either! I was making an example on what some one might do on a bike.

Pat

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Yup, I missed #7.... Didn't realize there were two incidents..... I don't carry a gun either.... and these two episodes are just 2 more reasons a lot of people shouldn't...... A quick temper and pushing an issue until it becomes violent is IMO, just a man made really brave cuz he has a gun with him... Either issue could have easily been resolved by just backing off and letting the fools go on their way....

To the moderator:

People are starting to flame each other over gun opinions. This was never my intent.

time to delete this thread.

All I really wanted to say was watch how you drive. Joe shmoe in the next car might actually be joe concerned citizen, call in your tag, or might be Johnny law. And if you drive recklessly, bullying and intimidating people it might end badly.

I got flamed pretty good, regardless of the results, and It was good for me. But I don't think this continued discussion will be good for this forum.

Please wipe it out.

Thanks

Gotta wonder whatever happend to the old fashioned stuff like "Drive Friendly", Be Courteous when you drive, etc???? Driving used to be fun, people in rural areas always had a small wave whenever they met a car.

These days it seems that few people pay much attention to what they are doing while they drive, or as this and other threads have shown want to use their car to establish some form of dominance over others on the road..... Take a break, go back to enjoying the drive, and ignore the dummies and those using their vehicles to make them some sort of tough guy king of the road type!!!!! Remember how much fun driving was when you were a kid? It can still be that way!!!! Leave the macho road games to those who are using a vehicle to compensate for some form of inadequacy they have.... It ain't worth it!!!!

:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3G3jq-PJNU COOL **)

I would like to invite anyone who thinks they will never get pissed off in traffic to go to Miami or Fort Pierce, Florida.
I went down there after a hurrican to try to help out because a bunch of station were totaly out of fuel. I stayed down there about a month, and it was the worst month I have ever endured while driving. These people drive like there are no laws down there.
The company tried to have me go back down to help out the next year, and I told them I would quite driving before I went back down there.
Now since all the hurricans in the last couple of years the people started migrating
from down there to Tampa and driving here is getting worse because of it.
Because of the agressive driving I lost a good friend of over 20 years.
A guy that had just moved from down there up to Tampa got in a hurry and forced
my buddy off a bridge in his fuel tanker. My buddy layed screaming in a burning tanker
for 20 minutes till a old man came to pull him out on fire.
Three days later he died leaving behind a bunch of kids.
You know what happened to the guy that forced him from the bridge not one thing.
At first he acted like he could not speak english, then he tried to lie about what happened untill about 50 people came forward that had seen the whole thing.
And he still got off scott free. So I don't want to hear about people shouldn't get pissed.
Because a car or a truck could be a wepon too. Kurt