This is a spoof video explaining what would be the way of life for a criminal if guns were banned. Its kinda funny, but its very true to what we would be looking at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2FwZVN3WiQ
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This is a spoof video explaining what would be the way of life for a criminal if guns were banned. Its kinda funny, but its very true to what we would be looking at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2FwZVN3WiQ
sad:mad::mad: but true and its looking more likely with Obama in house. By the time he gets done with us we might as wellmove to Mexico, but thats another story....
This is the way it should be , should be able to take care of your family and property.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZKVQVXLVSM
[QUOTE=BigTruckDriver;346517]sad:mad::mad: but true and its looking more likely with Obama in house. By the time he gets done with us we might as wellmove to Mexico, but thats another story....
spoken like a true republican:whacked: Hey---most of them are up here:LOL:
Great to see we can Talk Politics and Gun on this Forum COOL :)
What is the fascination with guns lately, anyway???? Home defense my butt!!!! Should be an intelligence test to make sure the person buying the gun is smarter then gun!!!! What a bunch of crap......
NO, The load of crap is the libereal "FOOLS" who believe that banning guns will ban guns. Or that banning guns will automatically solve all of the problems of a society based on freedom, and a Constitution that "protects" the right of the "PEOPLE" to keep and bear arms if that is there desire.
I was very sorry to hear of the loss of your young friend Dave, VERY Sorry!! But to blame the gun for his death is the libereal misguided way of those who are really interested in telling us all what to do. You sir are intitled to any opinion you wish to have, on gun control or any other issue. You have just as much right to be wrong as you wish. On this issue you are wrong plan and simple, of course thats only my opinion but you don't begridge me an opinion do you???
Roland
dave, guns dont kill people the moron with the gun does. take guns away ok, criminals will be the only ones with guns, the laws sure as hell dont stop them now does it? ak 47's are m-16's are plentiful to gangs and crime lords now arent they????? taking guns away takes away from me or soemone else who has one in there house to protect there family and property nothing wrong with protecting what you own, and your family.
now if you guys want to watch a video WATCH THIS ONE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA
I agree with Dave, no need for iron, a couple of years ago, my wife and I
went out to eat, when we were getting seated next to some guys who thought they were going to be cool, couple of them made a comment
about not to sit specos next them, (in spanish)I told my wife to wait in the car for me,I asked those two if they had problem with we could go out side
and we talk :D so you want to dance speco,by this time the manager who
heard everything was on the phone the cops,,buy the time they arrived, dance was over..a little sort on the side but I can still dance at 60,:whacked:
:D:D
yes yes lets all umarm ourselves so then we can be DOMINATED by big brother with no way to defend ourselves. yes what a wonderful idea. now come children lets go bury our heads in the sand and hold hands everything will be ok.
Geez, the same old arguments, slogans, and bumper sticker intelligence..... Really getting tired of the same old garbage about guns.
In my short lifetime I've had 3 personal friends (this is not counting military time) killed by legal guns in the hands of legal gun owners. Too many lives wasted.
IMO, the 2nd Amendment gives the right to states to maintain an armed militia, which the states have. It's called the National Guard.
The military does of course need to be armed. At least in the military there is some semblance of control of a weapon, who's allowed to have one, and when they are to be used. There is extensive training in how and when to use a gun, and the rules for the use of a weapon are strictly enforced.
In the civilian world, the police of course need to have weapons. Too many crazies roaming the streets to have unarmed law enforcement officers.
But every civilian in the country should be allowed to carry a gun???? Backgrounds are only checked at the time of purchase. From this we should assume that the mental fitness of the gun owner will never change??? That he won't become a homicidal maniac because of drug and/or alcohol use???? That he won't, in a fit of rage or because of deep, long lasting depression come to the conclusion that shooting people is an acceptable way to resolve a conflict???? The standards to maintain a CDL or a Taxi License are higher and more rigorously enforced. Where's the logic in that???
Then there's the conspiracy theorists--the government is out to get me--aliens are trying to abduct me--These people too should have the inalienable right to keep and bear arms???? Right, their thought process is based on fact and logic!!!!!
Let's not forget hunting... You know, where a bunch of people get together, pack up all their guns, ammo, whiskey, beer, or drug of choice and go out in pursuit of some stupid, defenseless animal--of course they're only hunting because there family will starve if they don't kill Bambi!!!!! Maybe so, but only true in a very, very small percentage of the hunters out every year shooting at deer, bears, cows, horses, large dogs, buildings, farm equipment or anything else that moves or doesn't move!!!! Wanna be a hunter, leave the dang gun in the gun locker (you do keep your guns securely locked away in a gun cabinet when they are not in your possession, don't you???) and go hunting with a bow and arrow. At least a misplaced round won't kill another hunter, or kill some little farm kid out playing in his backyard!!!!! By and large, the majority of hunting trips are just another excuse to go out and get drunk with the guys, except in this instance the drunks are all carrying and firing a lethal weapon. Yeah, that's a worthwhile past time!!!!!
No, I'm not a liberal. I'm just a person wondering why it is that so many people think there only course of defense is to shoot!!!! Worried about home invasion? Get some good locks, an alarm system, and a Rotweiller. Lots safer then firing a gun at an "intruder" (or is it just your kid trying to sneak into the house cuz he's late for his curfew time?) and having the bullet go through the wall and kill the neighbors kid who's sleeping in his bed??? Heck, I'm just a 5'8" cripple and all I have for "home invasion defense" is a Louisville slugger sitting by the front door!!!!! It hasn't failed me yet!!!!
Oh yeah, then there's the old "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".... Let's analyze this... If guns were outlawed, then the military, the cops, and all the bad guys would have the guns. Seems pretty simple to me. If your not in a police or military and have a gun, then you must be one of the outlaws and should be caught. Seems it would be easier for the cops to pursue, capture, and convict the gun toting oulaws if they didn't first have to separate the "legal" gun toters from the bad guys....
And the military, lets get them the heck out of all the countries all over the world and bring them home!!!! Let them do the border patrol, check all the ports, and help out the civilian authorities in times of natural disaster. This would also free up are largely understaffed police departments across the country to go out and pursue all those bad guys and get them off the streets..... Do we really need all those overseas bases staffed by US Military???? Would you mind if Germany or Japan opened and staffed a base just outside of your hometown???? We need to quit trying to police the whole world and keep our troops at home to help get our own country straightened out!!!!! Don't we have all these super trick, ultra high definition spy sattelites to keep an eye on all them commies all over the world???? Talk about a waste of lives, talented assets, and money!!!!
If all the gun owners would just lock up their guns and invest the same amount of time and money into making the world a more peaceful place instead of squandering it on more guns and ammo, maybe guns could just become a part of history and left in the hands of those who are actually qualified to use them and supervised by people whose job it is to know how and when to use a firearm....
How many "legal" guns are lost or stolen every year and fall into the hands of the bad guys or little kids??? Or is this just another one of those "price of freedom" deals we should be willing to pay??? A 9 year old gets hold of Daddy's Glock and kills his 6 year old sister, but that's ok, it's the price we pay to guarantee our 2nd Amendment rights, right????
Again this year there is a small group of us, though every year our number grows, trying to convince the legislators to bring some sanity into gun ownership. Guns need to be registered and gun owners licensed. Gun owners need to be held accountable for the responsibility of owning a gun and keeping it in a secure place so that it does not fall into the wrong hands and winds up wasting more innocent lives. Gun owners should be required to buy and install a trigger guard on every gun they own. Guns should be kept in a secure and locked gun vault. New guns should be made with the electronic gadgetry that assures only the licensed owner can fire the weapon. (This technology already exists) Every gun owner should be required to keep in force a liability insurance policy in case their misuse of the gun results in damage, injury, or death.
Gun ownership should be like all other rights. With the right comes the responsibility of not abusing that right. When that right is violated the individual should no longer be allowed to own a gun.
Hunting is a privilege, not a right. Anyone hunting with a gun and intoxicated or behaving in a dangerous or reckless manner should have his privilege to hunt removed.... A gun is as dangerous as a car in the hands of a drunk, shouldn't the same criteria be good for both????
Anyway, save all the hype, the flag waving, and the conspiracy theory crap for the next Rush Limbaugh call in show. Recognize that the right to keep and bear arms should not be extended to all. Be willing to accept the responsibility of owning a gun, and notify the proper authorities when others are abusing their "right" to have a gun.....
Common sense will solve a lot more problems then a gun could ever hope to....
....and now, let the name calling and flaming began. I can take it....
Well that was for sure and for certain a mouth full. The easy thing to do with that dribble of a post would be to take it paragraph by paragraph and respond in an manor appropriate to the way it was written. Trouble is since not one word of it made any sense what so ever, why bother?? There is an old saying " If I have to explain it you wouldn't understand it anyway" man how proper is that at this point!
Saves the board a big pissing contest that no one will win, and lets Dave set back with his Louisville Sluger and feel all warm and cosy at how secure he and his family are. After all if things get too bad Old King Obama will come and protect them.
Roland
Better to have a Gun and not need it . Then to need a Gun and not Have one ? I am Very Pro-Gun and Gun Safe . And How about all the Lives that are Saved each Year Thanks to Guns ? Legal Gun Ownership all the way :)
maybe if police officers did there jobs correctly and would actually respond within a decent time frame things might, MIGHT ok probably no, be different. ehre if you report something stolen, a break in, or a car break in they dont respond they take your name number and never call you back, mighty nice of em aint it. i have had over 5 thousand dollars in tools, equipment, electronics, and parts stolen from this property im sick of the "police" they dont do shit. to many meth heads out there these days to NOT own a gun.
Good thing you don't own any Guns ! With how easy you go to Blows ? You could have Shot some one ? But if some one calls me out to Dance . And I have to get up when I am Eating . That would not be a Good thing to do :LOL: Next time just get up real nice and move to another Seat .
thank god i live in mississippi...even our cars are considered an extention of our home and carrying a gun in your car is legal without a permit...of course we were raised with guns from children and respect them...Yes, we are hunters...No not for trophys but for food...not because we would starve, but because we like eating bambi and rabbit, wild hog and wild turkey...etc...yes even with bow and arrows...if you dont like the gun laws...move your A$$ to England...some sorry SOB tries steal what i've worked my whole life for and i catch him...it will be his last robbery...
peace
and god bless
I am sorry for the loss of a friend Dave. Had I known I would not have posted this. The point of the video is that if they outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns, and the honest people will all be sitting ducks. I was 18 years old in 1979 when my brother in law was gunned down, 4 shots to the back with a .357 magnum. Even as I watched him take his last breath, still to this very day I never blamed the gun, just the killer that shot him. Ironicly enough, the guy who shot him gets out of prison this year. Sorry again if this offended anyone.
Thought exercise: Is an intruder lying dead on your front porch with a baseball bat sized crush in his skull any less dead than the one with a 9mm slug from your Glock 17 in his heart? Maybe it's time to launch a campaign against the NBBA (National Baseball Bat Association).
Old phrases become old phrases for a reason, for example: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
A lot of well intentioned people can make impassioned pleas for their ideas, and often those ideas will work...................to a point. Recognizing where that point is is the challenge. Blanket notions like "give peace a chance" are fine if you're dealing with rational people on the other side of the equation. But if they're not rational, how prepared are you to up the ante for self preservation sake? Are you a survivor or are you satisfied to be food for the predator?
Some of you, probably from more rural areas, remember a time, be it yours or one generation earlier, when kids would carry a rifle to and from school. Most often they were called squirrel rifles/guns. Not real common, but not uncommon either. Nobody worried about mass murder in the gymnasium because they had faith in the rational behavior of the gun possessor. Today a kid can't even take a nail file to school, it's controlled under a philosophy of "Zero tolerance". If you think about it that's sort of an odd oxymoronic statement. We've become intolerant of inanimate objects, while becoming more tolerant of bad behavior. Responsibility has been defined down so that irresponsibility is to be tolerated because "it's not their fault". Some of us would argue it's that supposedly "growing everyday" crowd who are most in favor of gun control who are the leading proponents of ever decreasing anti-social behavior control. They're often the same people who demonize portions of our society as "greedy". They indoctrinate the comparatively lower socio-economic level folks with the notion that the “more successful” people don't really "earn" what they've got. They will often claim the so called “wealthy” took it away from the “less fortunate”. In order to be fair it's necessary to "level the playing field". In other words take (rather than earn) from one to give to another. Of course, unintentionally I'm sure, what that fosters is the consequence that those who receive the "freebie" subliminally develop the attitude that they can take whatever they want from whomever they believe has it and didn't earn it. In their mind they're just "taking back" or “leveling the playing field”.
On the one hand the rapidly increasing sales of guns might be distressing. I would hope that all of those "newbies" take the time to join the NRA, take classes in proper gun handling, and never have to shoot at anything more menacing than a paper silhouette. But what this trend is is really another poll, much like an election. People are expressing a vision that our constitution has been turned upside down. It was originally written to protect the citizens from oppressive government with phrase that begin with ”Congress shall make no law......". With each passing year it's clear that too many of us have let the politicians turn that around. We get legislation like the so called "McCain-Feingold" act that restricts political free speech. Limbaugh was brought up earlier as if he's a threat. Yet, even as big a megaphone as he has, he's still only a private citizen with no ability to force his views on anyone by use, or misuse, of the law. If you don't like what he says turn the dial. But those that rail against him don't seem to have any problem with a campaign designed to discredit and shut those dissenting opinions down being run FROM THE WHITE HOUSE! Another example, Congress votes one week to use punitive taxes to take back bonus money they had just approved a week or two prior. They use some weasel words to try to avoid violating the ‘No bills of attainder” clause in the Constitution, but their intent is all too evident. Target individual citizens for political gain. I’ve gone on in the past about the ever increasing erosion of private property rights so won't keep whizzing into the wind here. It's just that those who have been legal gun owners, and those who recently have been joining their ranks, are voting by their purchases. This is a voting poll that can't be manipulated by favored groups like ACORN who promote voter fraud, or by manipulative politicians who gerrymander districts to manipulate voting blocs or who diddle with the census for the same purposes. Well, yet anyway.
well said bob,
agreed...we all used to carry guns to school...not hidden...but clearly displayed in rear window gun racks...yes i'm a back woods country boy...but not once was a gun ever pull out of one of those trucks in anger or pointed at another human being...i have carried a gun ever since and still have never pull one in anger...were i come from you have a problem with someone you give or take a ass whipping and go home...but i will always be an armed citizen and not an innocent victim...
Why I Carry a Gun
My old grandpa said to me, "Son, there comes a time in every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin'."
I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
"Police Protection" is an oxymoron.. Free citizens must protect themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime; they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.
Remember the average response time to a 911 call is over 4 minutes.
The average response time of a 357 magnum is 1400 FPS
OK, gotta toss my 2 cents in....
When I was fresh out of college (1969), my best friend was murdered by a person with a handgun. To my best recollection, not a single person blamed the gun or made some statement regarding "if only we could have banned guns." My friend was murdered by a person that broke down the door and shot him.
Would gun control have saved his life....absolutely not...he was murdered by a sheriff's deputy who had caught my friend with the deputies ex wife. The deputy was carrying his "legal" handgun that every anti-gunner believed that he should have.
When I was in Taiwan, the penalty for possession of a firearm was death by a firing squad. People frequently told me that they were scared to death of criminals with knives....they asked me "what is your opinion regarding knife control?" Hmmm...let's ban knives....or
baseball bats like in Bob's story.
Our problem is not inanimate objects, our problem is responsibility. America has evolved to where no person is required to be responsible for their actions. Government penalizes the responsible, law-abiding citizens so that the reckless, deranged, and criminals "have their rights" protected. Gee thanks, that's protection that I need!
Regardless of what the good-intended say, today is not much different than it was in 1776. People have the desire and the right to be safe. Since the government cannot protect everyone at all times, we have the right to protect ourselves using available means that are at least equal to those of our assailants.....dont give me a pepper spray device to ward off an attacker armed with a semi-automatic handgun.....
mike in tucson
here ya go folks
http://www.infowars.com/house-passes...-service-bill/ madatory volunteerism? oxymoronic or is it just me.
http://www.infowars.com/mandatory-se...bill-lives-on/
Well guess I'll add my two cents since this thread appears to have all of the markings of a soon to be closed thread.:LOL::LOL:
2nd Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. It does not imply any rights to use those guns in an uncivil and illegal manner. That being said, I have mine, cleaned and ready in the event that a need arises, however in the mean time where they are is where they will stay. Their here for my protection and my enjoyment which ever is more important at the moment. Mine are all quite old and never registered with no plans to do so in the future. So far it hasn't mattered, don't expect it will. I have a carry permit (relatively easy to get here) and fortunately I have always lived and worked in areas were carrying a gun was not a necessity. Plus I try to avoid travels to such areas.
I prefer open carry laws to concealed carry laws. Prefer to know what others are carrying and to let them know what I am doing as well. Can resolve issues before they start.:D
For those of you who have them, good for you. For those of you who don't want them, good for you. It's a personal choice, and hopefully will remain so.
The United States Constitution and 44 States have Constitutional provisions enumerating an individual right to “keep and bear arms”. The U.S. Constitution, Amendment II (also known as the Second Amendment) states:
“A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
For years there has been great debate on the intent of the second Amendment as it relates to an “individuals” right to keep and bear arms. The overwhelming majority of America’s citizens believe this right extends to all people – as evidenced by the 44 states that endorse gun ownership by private citizens. These states and the federal government do have the ability to restrict gun ownership to law abiding citizens who have not been convicted of a felony
While it is truly tragic when a person is murdered or even accidentally killed at the hand of another, the weapon used in the commission of such a heinous act is an inanimate object and incapable of any action (good or bad) unless placed in the hands of a human being.
For a variety of different reasons, gun ownership and gun control are very emotional issues. Facts help to dispel rumors and sometimes quell the emotions associated with controversial issues.
1. Over the last two decades, many "gun control" laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive at the federal, state, and local levels. Numbers of privately-owned guns and Right-to-Carry states have risen to all-time highs. Every step of the way, "gun control" groups predicted violent crime would increase. Instead, violent crime decreased dramatically.
2. The Brady Act’s handgun waiting period expired in 1998, in favor of the NRA-supported National Instant Check System. Some states have since eliminated waiting periods. The federal "assault weapon" ban expired in 2004. Since 1987, 30 states have eliminated prohibitory or restrictive carry laws, in favor of Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws; there are now 40 RTC states. All states have hunter protection laws, 46 have range protection laws, 47 prohibit local jurisdictions from imposing gun laws more restrictive than state law, 44 protect the right to arms in their constitutions, and Congress and 33 states have prohibited frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry. See www.nraila.org/Issues/
3. The following references site studies by or for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that "gun control" reduces crime.
Roth, Koper, et al., Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994, March 13, 1997, www.urban.org/url.cfm?ID=406797;
Reedy and Koper, "Impact of handgun types on gun assault outcomes: a comparison of gun assaults involving semiautomatic pistols and revolvers," Injury Prevention 2003, http://ip.bmjjournals.com/cgi/reprint/9/2/151; Koper et al.,
Report to the National Institute of Justice, An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003, June 2004, http://www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/jl..._aw_final.pdf;
Wm. J. Krouse, Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, "Semiautomatic Assault Weapons Ban," Dec. 16, 2004;
Library of Congress, Report for Congress: Firearms Regulations in Various Foreign Countries, May 1998, LL98-3, 97-2010; Task Force on Community Preventive Service, "First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws," Morbidity and Mortaility Weekly Report, Oct. 3, 2003, www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm;
National Research Council, "Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review," National Academies Press, 2005 , http://books.nap.edu/books/0309091241/html/index.html.
4. According to the BATFE, Annual Firearm Manufacturers and Export Reports The number of new guns rises by about 4.5 million every year. There are 250+ million privately-owned firearms in the United States.
5. Since 1991, the nation’s total violent crime rate is down 38 percent. (Murder is down 43 percent; rape, 29 percent; robbery, 46 percent; and aggravated assault, 35 percent.) Violent crime dropped every year from 1991-2004, to a 30-year low; increased slightly in 2005 and 2006; and decreased to nearly the 2004 level in 2007. Every year since 2002, the violent crime rate has been lower than anytime since 1974. Every year since 1999, the murder rate has been lower than anytime since 1966. States with RTC laws, compared to the rest of the country, have lower violent crime rates on average: total violent crime by 24 percent, murder, 28 percent; robbery, 50 percent; and aggravated assault, 11 percent. See. FBI http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_04.html Bureau of Justice Statistics, http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/. RTC comparison based on data in the FBI table.
While Mr. Severson is certainly entitled to his opinion – he has revealed no factual information. I also doubt that his manner of delivery has done little to endear anyone. We all have our own stories and I would doubt that there are few on this site that have not experienced the loss of loved ones or perhaps experienced tragedy (as well stated in above posts). Such give us cause to grieve and vent. I am often touched when members encourage one another and when we send “cyber regards/prayers/love and concern” to those who share their losses.
Regards All,
Glenn
I'm not going to argue.... It does no good. I could give a hoot less if I'm the only one not carrying a dang gun. Guns are for killing, nobody I want to kill. When we were kids, things were different, laws were different or non existent. Cars have changed, way more people on the planet now, and way more guns, too. Do we just sit by and arm ourselves, and watch everyone else arm themselves, then wait for the wacko's to start shooting or what???? People do not behave the same as they did at the time the constitution was written. Morals and values are different. Many now feel killing is justified if they have been disrespected!!!!! When you defend your right to carry a gun, you are also defending the right of the wacko's and fringe elements to carry theirs...but it's ok cuz you won't shoot first....
No facts Mr. Sexton? You're right, didn't know we were going by points. Just personal observations of life as I've lived it. The fact is, every day people are killed with handguns and long guns. Is it necessary, is it right, does it have to continue???? Maybe in your world, but not in mine.
I still believe in sayings like give peace a chance. My guns stay locked up in the gun locker at Grandpa's. I also run E-85 in most of my cars. No, it won't change the world, but it feels right to me. I'm not for banning all guns....Just for taking a course of action that could somehow ensure that those carrying them are intelligent and stable enough to make life and death decisions..... I still like to go target shooting with the guys, but when I'm done the guns are cleaned, put away, and locked up....
Oh, and Uncle Bob I haven't killed anyone with the Louisville slugger. Just broke one arm and detained the individual until the police came to get him. IMO that's a bit better then shooting him just because he was trying to steal a few things....
Shouldn't our gun laws be at least as strong as our driving laws???? Gun training is still voluntary--would it really be an infringement on someone's blessed constitutional right to make training and certification mandatory????
Please, don't make me out to be a member of some fringe element that wants to see all guns cut up and recycled as Honda Civics. From my own purchases years ago, and from inheritance I have some very, very fine guns. Some of them of such quality that they are more an object of art then then they are a weapon.. What I would like is to know that the people carrying guns realize and accept the responsibility of carrying and using a lethal weapon.....
Dave, I agree with you about some gun owners needing more and better training. I also agree that it is your right to do something that feels right to YOU.......You have had some things happen in your life that have formed your opinions.
I am extremely PRO gun and PRO second amendment. The problem I have (and this dosent necessarily apply to you) is when people try to force their feel right/feel good ideas on me.......If people feel better not carrying or by locking up their weapons, that just fine with me. But I dont want them forcing me to do the same.
There are MORE then enough good laws on the books to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldnt own one.....lets start enforcing them!!
I would vote for mandatory gun safety training in schools that was orchestrated by the NRA.....would significantly help the younger crowd understand the danger.
mike in tucson
Violence is not going away, even if all the guns in the world went away! We would just figure out another way to kill, been doing it since the begining of man!! David killed goliath with a rock. Ill give up mine when i know there is not another left on the planet!!
I have no problem taking it toe to toe, ive duked it out with the best of them, but im not gonna be caught with a knife in a gun fight. Im sad that`s the way the world has to be, but until we find a better way im keeping my firearms.
Attributed to the Marine Corps as the "rules of a gun fight"
1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)
6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun
10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. Have a plan.
13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
16. Don't drop your guard.
17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.
19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4" or a "5"
We all enjoy what is sometimes referred to as a bad boy sport. Hot rods were seen as outlaws. I don't enjoy that image thrown at me. I try to prove otherwise. I have a CWP, but most of the time I don't carry. But I like the right to do so when I want to. I don't need to, but at times I like to go out and shoot at some tin cans. I can do it legally because I have tried to follow the rules set up by the state I live in. We all have opinions, at least we can respect each others.
Can't help but wonder what we would be doing today If the founding fathers had said "let's all turn our guns into the british government. We really don't need them for protection. King George will cover us."
Wow!!!!!!!!!
Actually, there was an instance before the Revolution where the British commander decreed that the people of Boston were to surrender their arms. This was done in exchange for allowing the people in Boston to leave with their personal belongings and goods. There is a good record of what was confiscated. After the Bostonians gave up their arms, the British commander rescinded his promise and did not allow "goods" to leave the city.
It was estimated that at least 50 percent of the adult males owned weapons in the city of Boston at that time. It is also surmised that people turned in their junk weapons and kept the good stuff...not trusting the British.
Had it not been for a group of private citizens, the United States would still be a Brit colony. Of course no one is advocating the overthrow of the government by violent means but the need for an armed citizenry is still valid today. IF you think that it would be impossible to do the American Revolution today given the size and strength of the armed forces, remember that the British had the most powerful army and navy in the world in the 1770 era....they were unbeatable.
This article was in a recent "American Rifleman" which is an NRA monthly magazine.
mike in tucson
Gun control means hitting your target. End of story.
Dave wrote:That's what we like about you Dave! Wishy washy people are not as well respected as straight shooters. (no pun intended):D:D:cool:Quote:
You're welcome.. Guess my views aren't real poplular, but nevertheless, they're mine and I'll stick to 'em....
:):)...FrancisThe best argument for keeping our guns was on a ty interview with a ww2 Japanse admiral. he had a large number of subs of the coast of cali. and was why he didn't come ashore. His responce was to many guns in america we couldn't contend with that..Francis
The best argument for keeping our guns was on a tv enterview recently. A ww2 Japense admiral had a large fleet of the coast of cali. and was asked why he didn't invade. His responce was so many guns in America they knew that would be suicide and would prove only how futile it was to attack the US.:)..Francis
messed up the first try so please overlook it..thanks