Did three different cars with my eldest son over the years. First one was like a carrot shape, came in fifth in the racing, and a third for design. Second was a little blue coupe, got zip. The last one we did for laughs, when the sawdust settled, and the paint was dry, it looked like a little red running shoe. Even had laces painted on it. Didn't go very fast, but it sure brought out the grins and chuckles, and be darned if we didn't get another third for design. That one was the most fun for both of us, and it's the one he still has. Sniper