Thread: Wind power? Anybody skeptical?

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Yup, looks like the Tree Huggers will be headed back to the Black Hills to protect the trees from us environment destroying snowmobilers!!!!!

Standard policy in the Black Hills while snowmobiling is that if you hit a tree with a Tree Hugger standing in front of it to protect it you'll recieve free repairs!!!!!

Hitting one of them while they are in an open area and running for their life will entitle you to a free weekend's lodging at one of the resorts.



Anyway, with the prospect of lots of good paying jobs in both the constructing and operating of a refinery up here in the poverty belt, the tree huggers were doomed before they started!!!!

So, in South Dakota the score is:

Tree Huggers-------0
Common Sense-----1

I think you will find most people who consider themselves environmentalists, are already conserving resources and using energy saving devices. I have two bachelor degrees in science and believe in global warming. I would like to see some wilderness areas preserved for future generations. That being said, I guess you could call me a tree hugger. I also believe in practicality and common sense. I believe some environmental policy has been formed based on the gut reaction of people with no scientific background what so ever, that unfortunately has turned environmentalism into a shorter form of emotionalmentalism. This is frustrating. Because now if you intelligently state an argument why not to destroy an area for mining or fuel exploration, your labeled "tree hugger" and thrown into a catagory of imbeciles who haven't a clue what they are talking about.
Oil drilling in South Dakota makes sense. The idea of becoming less dependent on the middle east is also smart. But more than that, reducing our own usage of energy is common sense. If your capable of taking yourself off the grid, or reducing your own personal consumption, then you should do it. It's easy to sit here day after day and expect someone else to bail us out, when in fact the easiest place to start change is at home.
I too remember cold winter nights on Grandma's farm where we were packed into a side bedroom with no heat under 8 blankets, where there was ice on the single pane windows. I remeber those first 20 minutes of not moving an inch because the blankets around you were freezing, and seeing the fog of my breath rise in the moon light. I was lucky that we were only there for a few weeks at a time, but, I learned an important lesson, that we were healthy, survived and were generally happy there too. We worked hard outside with the land and didn't need to go to a gym at the end of a work day to stay in shape! We also never worried about cholesterol from those thick slices of bacon and farm fresh eggs in the 18 inch cast iron skillet of the stove!
The point is we have become a soft Nation. We outsource labor to others, because we think it's beneath us, yet, some amongst us are third generation welfare recipients, who would no more lift a finger to work than you or I would put a go cart engine in our hot rod! We provide health care to the illegal aliens, with the message that if you can make it here to deliver your baby then it will be a legal citizen. We'll then provide you with whatever you need to keep that baby healthy. We'll also pay you under the table to clean our houses, work our farms, and maintain our gardens, but we'll bitch about tha fact that your here, not paying into the system and getting benefits that people who do pay in the system can't get!
It's messed up!
Sorry way off track here!
Point is nothing is black and white, but most of us are capable of lowering our energy consumption, and supplementing it with systems that will reduce our global needs.
Soo go for it... let the Tree hugger attacks begin!

Steve I'll be the first to admit we have been spoiled with all the conveniences we now enjoy.And personally I hate to go to any thing that will interfere with that luxury,but the truth of the matter is we have some major problems in our society that are not going to fix themselves.It seems that when one group starts to attack the problems ,we have another that starts up to block it.When that happens nothing gets done and the problem gets worse.

I know about the quilts,feather beds,fireplaces,kerosene lamps,out door 2 holers,and working the land with manual labor,etc.We were poor as the poorest moving from farm to farm share cropping and getting a limited education.I left that environment as soon as I realized I had to do myself better.

I to went on to get a Mfg.Engineering Degree thanks to IBM.and worked my butt off to get to where I could provide a good life for my family.

I am now enjoying the benefits of that effort and to see a society as we now see it greives me.We as a society cannot work together any more.World War II set an example for us as a Nation working together.Now all we see is Kill that Bill,Defeat that Bill,and it goes on and on.

I would like to see the environment cleaned up,but we have to realize we are not the only Country contributing and again we need to work together.I get sick to my stomach when I go back to my native Tn. and see what is happening to the Great Smokey Mtns. the worst polluted area in Tn.
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They say a problem don't get fixed until it gets worse,I think we're there on many issues.I'll get down now.

Well said Don. No easy solutions!
The Volkswagon TDI sounds like a sporty alternative. I hate the prius, but we get great deals on all toyotas because of family members working for them. With the price of the TDI and its economy, clean emmisions, lack of batteries to add to a land fill, and dielsel engine which should outlast a gas engine, I see hope on the horizon!

Steve I agree on the Prius,it is ugly.I don't know much about the performance but Toyota seems to be making some good products.I understand there is a waiting list to get the Prius.Probably would not lose when you went to sell,if you bought one.IMO

Today the Democratic controlled congress voted again against drilling for oil for what, the tenth time since Pres. Clinton vetoed drilling in ANWR? It should be clear to everyone that the Environmentalists do not want consumption of ANY fossil fuels (save the polar bears!) so that rules out any liquid fuel internal combustion engine! How are we supposed to get to work while they build the windmills? OK electrolyze water but make it safe, at least as safe as the propane fueled fork lift tractors.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Originally Posted by Don Shillady

Today the Democratic controlled congress voted again against drilling for oil for what, the tenth time since Pres. Clinton vetoed drilling in ANWR? It should be clear to everyone that the Environmentalists do not want consumption of ANY fossil fuels (save the polar bears!) so that rules out any liquid fuel internal combustion engine! How are we supposed to get to work while they build the windmills? OK electrolyze water but make it safe, at least as safe as the propane fueled fork lift tractors.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

What the heck difference does that make???? They aren't drillinig on the 60 million acres they have now!!!!! ANWR would, at best, be a 2% reduction in our purchase of oil from the mideast---and wouldn't hit the refineries we don't have for probably 5 years---if it hit them at all.... I would imagine it too would just go on the world market as does the rest of the oil....

Don't blame the Democrats for these problems...... It's the WHOLE DAMN SYSTEM that is at fault, not just one party or the other!!!!!! The Republicans have had the white house for 8 years and if anything, things just got worse!!!!

And no, I'm not a Democrat....if anything I'm a Libertarian.... You know, the Isolationist party that is so politically incorrect they hardly warrant a blip on the news.... The party that sez America for Americans and to heck with the rest of the world.......

Republicans blame democrats, democrats blame republicans and nothing gets done.... The VERY FIRST THING that must be done is to have at least one more political party, and TERM LIMITS so maybe, just maybe we don't end up with a bunch of congressmen and senators owned by the highest bidder!!!!!!

The whole damn country is so busy blaming someone else for all their problems and waiting for the government to fix things we're doomed to fail at whatever we try......

All the oil in ANWR wouldn't make a dent in the present problem if it hit the market all at once TODAY!!!!!!

Both parties are the problem.... Don't even look to them for a solution!!!! They like everything just the way it is!!!!!!

Oh well, maybe things will get better when the Chinese call in all the loans we have to buy Mid Eastern oil and they start running the place.... At least the theive and liars running the government now would all be locked up!!!!!

Blaming one party or the other is just taking the easy way out..... Both have had their chance and all they did was make things worse!!!!!

The GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!--not the solution.

Even old T. Boone hisself who's a billionaire from the oil business sez we can't drill our way out of this one!!!!!


Maybe it's time to listen to some new voices and new ideas and quit expecting the different day, same shtuff politics to actually lead to a positive result!!!!!!!