Remember guys, just my take on why things are the way they are.

Kieth, the purchase of credits to gain right to pollute is the biggest hypocrisy of this century. Its billed as a stop gap measure until pollutants are reduced but is really just a way for the 'haves' to stay non compliant as long as possible and a way to generate revenue.

Dave, I know I throw out the libbie term but before you assume its just categorizing a different political view you must consider where I live CALIFORNIA. "Walk a mile in mine these days' comes to mind. The political climate here is becoming vastly LEFT, period. You are right to a point that 'they' are heard because of being more active and WE are to blame for that but the numbers here are a lot more left than you think. What some dont realize is that San Francisco runs this state. Sac may be the capitol but the political influence is based in SF. Where are the biggest company's headquartered? SF. These guys bow to their local voice to keep the peace. Did you know that a recent 2-1 vote will 'allow' the blue angles to fly at fleet week this year but word has it that it will be their last as the SF attack against any military presence in their city is in full swing. Historical naval ships are denied docking and established military exhibits are being phased out because they dont want any type of military display in their city. They have or are about to ban military recruiting within the city? That kind of voter in that type of concentrated effort is hard to fight. I know this might sound like im straying off subject buts all part of the big picture here.

Mike, I think you are making the point that farmers have a strong lobby? you are exactly right. Classics have no such representation so we are easy pickings. Dave is saying that we can be as powerfull with out vote. I like to think he's right but in reality I wonder.