Which of you guys that can remember these bada$$ engines beleive is better? I think the SBC is better but I have never driven a 302 Ford
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Which of you guys that can remember these bada$$ engines beleive is better? I think the SBC is better but I have never driven a 302 Ford
I've never had either, but everything I've heard and read say the SBC 302 was awesome!
Yea I dont have either but my buddy has 302 SBC in his Z/28 camaro
Hmmmm. believe there's about half a zillion guys running 5.0 Mustangs that would differ with you opinion. Just like the big blocks, it's nothing but a go-round-in-circles argument....
Plain facts, the 5.0 Ford has been in production many years more then the 302 Chevy.... If you wanna compare them, then just make sure you compare apples to apples and not the Z-28 version to a 302 in your Granma's Galaxie....
Both engines can be built to put out some great horsepower numbers, depends a whole lot on preference....
Yeah it depends solely on preference
302 chevy won trans am 2 years in a row. chevy parts are cheaper
Well I really think the Chevy DZ 302 Engine is a great GM Build . But in all fairness compare it to Ford's Boss 302 that Engine is just as good .
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Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
and then they quit building it....must of been not as successful financially as the little Ford.... Ford did win it's share in Trans Am and SCCA racing. Not even necessary to say how wildly successful the small Fords were in the Cobras...and the GT-40's the year they dominated LeMans.... I was fortunate enough to be around a couple different B-production SCCA teams that were running Mustangs, and even one IMCA car running a Boss 302 with some very trick (for their day) high port exhaust Clevleand heads that Gapp & Roush put out.
The Chevy parts in general are a bit cheaper, but not to the extent they were years back.
If the 302 was as good as some would have you believe it was, why is it that it had such a short lifespan in the Chevy engine options? Often wondered what it was that killed the engine being a production item from Chevy????
put a 1/4 million miles on my last 302 ford...and it was running when i parked it...very hard miles too...
Check out this Boss 302 :HMMM: And the driving is going easy on it . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTCfBhE5d_w
"Better" is a very subjective term when you compare these two engines. The Chevy guys are of course going to favor the Z28 motor, and the Blue Oval camp is going to give you 1,000 reasons why theirs is better.
My opinion is that they are both very good engines, but in their base form very different. The 302 Chevy was purpose built to qualify Chevy for Trans Am racing, but produced in somewhat limited numbers. On the other hand, Ford has produced a zillion 302 Ford engines in everything from low performance cars and trucks all the way up to the 5.0 Mustang version that few can argue runs like a scalded cat right out of the box.
I think the 302 Ford is better from the standpoint of the average rodder being able to find the parts to put one together. I bet 302 Chevy parts are a bit pricey today, whereas Ford parts are everywhere and fairly reasonable. However, asking which one is "better" is like asking your preference of a Blonde, Brunette, or Redhead.............all of them have their pluses and minuses, but they are all good. :D:D
Don
I think Chevy killed the 302 because of power and drivability. It was only rated at 290 and you had to twist it to get that. A 70 1/2 Z28, now there's a Camero. I'd take one of those over a 67-8-9 any day.
Fords, well I see 302 'stangs running in the 10s.
I think the bigesst issue between sbc and sbf has always been heads. ford just can't get their head out of their posterior and make some heads that will flow like chevys. That from a Ford guy.
the 302 chevy was rated at 290 horsepower at 5500 rpm, :LOL: granted you may of had to twist em up to get moving but who cares thats the half the fun, look at what the z-28 302 camaros bring on the auction block.
the ford 302 is like chevys 350 it was fords mainstay for years.
Its really no contest ,with factory forged pistons and a roller cam ,the new 86 to 94 302 is a hands down winner.
200000 miles is nothing for the new 302,mine still roasts the tires and passes the strictest emmisions in the country at 189000......its a 1986 .:D
Here is a Stock rebuilt Chevy DZ 302 530 HP-8500 :eek: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...2DZ_156232.htm Click on were it say's show more . It will tell you about the Stock Build .
go with the chevy 302... just because no one ( newer generation ) has heard of it.
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Originally Posted by tango
One poor quality video containing a bit of time picturing the engine, then about a minute of hearing an engine and seeing a tach hit 8500.... A brief statement saying it's stock parts.....
:LOL::LOL::LOL: I'm sure it's all 100% accurate!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
not exactly what I'd call irrefutable evidence... Not saying a 302 can't make that kind of power, but if it did would peak horsepower @ 8500 rpm be usable anywhere but a drag strip????
who would care!? :LOL:
yeah, but Scooter!!! A 240 horsepower gain over the factory using all stock parts????????????????
My sister had a 302 in her car, I don't remember if it was a camaro or Z28 but
she was always bragging about it though. I drove it a couple times and it couldn't get out of it's own way. I remember thinking my 67 mustang that was alot heavier with a 302
would eat that thing alive. Just my opion of it, I've driven both and it was not even close. Ford hands down, no contest. Kurt
she probably had a 305 :LOL:
The chevy 302 was short lived I have read because ford came to chevy b!tchin about how the ford already ahs a 302 and they shouldnt be coping their design. So chevy decided to make the 305 thats the way i understood it
No It was a 302, And I had a 307 in a 69 chevy handy van.
Now that thing screamed, and with N50's on the back it would
pull the front tires up off the ground.
And it was stock, I just call it the way I see it. Kurt
chevy didint make a 305 until 10 eyars later though. well then you must not of been driving it hard enough! hell they ran 13's and 14's stock on bias ply's! you gotta rev them. they are cars for people who are not scared to see the tach buried at 7000+
Are you askimg about a Boss 302 or 302/5.0 Ford engines? 2 entirely different engines!
I had a 307 Chevy in a Chevelle once. Worst under powered engine ever.
A 302 Chevy and a 305 aren't even in the same league.
If you take a 327 small journal block and put a 283 crank in it would that make a homemae 302. Trying to settle an argument with a buddy
Here is a DZ Z/28 at Work :eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiuJ1...eature=related
Like the ford 302, versatal, and capable of serious power. Never heard of the camero 302 until earlier this year. But comparing chevy to ford will always result in split opinions. With the right set up both are probably capable of amazing power. Let's salute both engine makers for designing such great small block engines with such versatility. Glad Ford made so many to keep the prices down for future projects. JMO.:3dSMILE:
actually a 327 with a 283 crank is how chevy made the 302 in 1967.
Here's some info on the DZ Z/28 Stock Class Drag Car . Check out the Video to . http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...D=SC0508-66401
Both the Boss 302 and Chevy 302 were developed to meet displacement requirements for Trans Am racing in the late 60s early 70s. As was the 304 AMC.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but I think there is a little confusion about 302's and 302's. The 302 Chevy and its competitor the Boss 302 have absolutly nothing what so ever in common with either the 5.0 Ford motor or the generac everyday Ford 302.
If you are going to compare the Chevy 302 to a Ford motor then it has to be the motor Ford brought to the dance to compete with the Chevy 302. Thats comparing apples to apples, any other comparision is like looking at apples to lemons there not even in the same catogory. And not only did the Chevy 302 have a short life span so did the Ford. Granted a Ford 302 did live on and was very succesful for Ford, but it has very little in common with the Boss 302 that should be the comparing motor.
Both of these motors won championships in competition against each other, both were a refreshing look at how a factory motor program could produce superior "STUFF". And at different places and times one or the other was better than the other. Kinda like life in a way.
Roland
The only major difference between the Boss 302 and the current 5.0's are the cylinder heads. The Boss 302 is basically a "Clevor".... Us Blue Oval types have been running Clevors since '69 when the Boss came out.... In the last few years both Ford and some of the aftermarket head builders have come out with some very nice Windsor heads that are almost equal in performance to the Clevor setups of years back... Most of the Ford "newbies" and a lot of us older types now just use the Windsor heads..... The Boss 302 block is available from your local Ford dealer, lots of good Cleveland heads around for cheap, and even some aluminum Aussie build Cleveland heads available.... So anyways, other the the cylinder heads and a few updates (some good, some bad) the SBF has changed little over the years. The original Boss 302, Boss 351, and ,most recently the Boss 429 can be reproduced quite easily with parts readily available from Ford and a couple aftermarket companies.... The Boss 302 never really died, just went into hiding.....
Great information Hombre. I agree with you totally 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Hombre259
Like I said, if you want some big power with 302 cubes, build a copy cat Boss or a Clevor..... they do make some great power at high rpm....just build the innards light and use good hardware....
Come on Dave the discission wasn't about building big power with 302 cubes. It was about which was best Chevy's 302---- Built for SCCA Trans Am racing, or Fords Boss 302 built for SCCA Trans Am racing. I say that because if you are going to compare Chevy's 302 to Fords 302 and be fair and objective in that comparison. Those are the two engines we are talking about. Not some generic grocery getter 302 but the engine built and designed by Ford to compete with the Chevy 302--- The Boss 302.
The only difference between a Boss 302 and the modern day 5.0 you say is the heads. Huuuuh? Thats like saying the only difference between a MK 48 Fragmention Grenade and a 1,000 megaton Nuclear Explosion is the amount of "BANG" they produce.
Roland
After going back and reading all of these post again I have come to a realization. No matter how long , hard, or passionate anyone talks about a subject like this most of us in the end are "NEVER" going to agree . There are Ford guys and there are Chevy guys Imagine the world were those two groups would ever get along, and agree on anything.
Its not just cars either guys. Try starting a discussion about which was the best battle weapon, the M1 Garand or the AK 47. All you need to do is breach that subject set back and watch the fur fly.
Hell I'm just one guy and I seldom agree with myself, now thats bad. My little Model A has over the years had 11 different engines in it. Some Fords a sprinkling of Chevys and now it has its third Hemi. To this day I can't agree which of those was best. Yesterday i thought it was the old Red Ram Dodge Hemi i had in it back in 1978, the day before that I was sure and certain that the 454 BBC from 1985 was the best. Tomorrow who know's. I guess we are just supposed to not agree even with our selves sometimes.
Roland
Your absolutely right and we should be gratefull for the choices otherwise trans am racing would be boring, and if there were just cameros and no mustangs how boring would that be. Then it would be who had the best same old same old, no I'm for diversity and choice. I like mopar, blue oval and the bow ties, but I somehow always end up with a blue oval!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hombre259
I have no brand loyalty or favorite when it comes to cars. I have an 70 AMC AMX, 68 Ford Mustang, 71 Dodge Challenger, and a 72 Chevy Chevelle. Plus a couple Studebakers.
I also have an M1 Garand and an AK 47. :D
Life would get pretty boring if you only buy one type of anything.
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Originally Posted by Hombre259
Yeah, about the only differences were the heads and a 4 bolt block.... My point was, not a big deal. Us Ford guys been duplicating them for years....Except I use the older blocks and splayed caps.... Nothing that can't be done quite easily....
I'm not bad mouthing the chebbies, I just prefer the Fords cuz it's fun beating the excepted combinations with something different.... I've also been known to run a MoPar or two...
The Boss 302 was nothing exotic.....Just good, solid basic engineering by some of the guys in the back room at Livonia..... The chebbie 302 was basically the same, small stroke, big bore, good heads. Both engines work best from 5500 to 8500 rpm---neither have a long life expectancy at this operating range... But, they're both easy and relatively inexpensive to copy if you're not a "numbers correct" type....