sorry was out doing some shopping... gotta eat.... anys thanks for the quick response denny. i'm not sure what the engine is out of the van was already done like that before i got it, supposedly by some guy that owned a welding shop in the mid 70s and he converted it to a 351w with a a new process 4 speed on the floor, added power steering to it as well...... by the time i got it it was owned by a guy that does motorcycle flames for a living, he didn't know too much about it and i got it for a whole $2000, theres no rust, its done in rat rod black with flames and has aluminum offenhouser rims that were supposedly made specifically for that van for the original owner who was some small time rockstar or something...... but anyways to make a long story short.... its a 351w out of a who knows what, its a factory 4bbl 351w though i can say that much ... oh yes and the welder also made it a higher capacity pan, after figuring it out i found that it was an 8 court pan....