Thread: Need some timing advice

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Originally posted by CaneBreak
SO your saying the right side of the engine is always the passenger side of the vehicle. so if i am looking at the distributor the right side of the engine is actually my left side.

I made number 1 on my actual right side.. which is actually numerb 5 ?? do i have this correct or am i all turned around( if i am looking at the distributor. ( i got it to run like that .. i hope it didnt mess anything up. It ran but very crappy. and it didnt sound good when it was running.

Thanks for the encouragement about the questions. I am still learnign this stuff and you all make it very nice to learn. I have come so close to throwing my hands up and paying someone but i am going to figure it out.


thanks again and i hope you all have a good weeekend

i guess i take to much for granted, but the right side of a motor or car is sitting in the drivers seat looking out forward. anything on the passenger side is the right side, standing behind the motor looking down at the motor the right side is on the right and standing if front of the motor looking down at it your lift is on the motors right. the flywheel is the rear and the timing chain is the front. While I was writing this I was thinking about it being in a boat and that could get confusing i guess, but then it goes back as where the flywheel is, and that's always the rear so the right stays on the right. now im


the dist. has nothing to do with the right or left of the motor. most ford dist. is in the front and most gm is in the rear of the moyor. #1 is on the lift side of the motor on most gm's and #1 is on the right side on most fords. stand at the flywheel looking over the motor. looking at the dist. from the front the right side of the motor is on you left, just like the pic. denny gave you.

Originally posted by lt1s10
i guess i take to much for granted, but the right side of a motor or car is sitting in the drivers seat looking out forward. anything on the passenger side is the right side, standing behind the motor looking down at the motor the right side is on the right and standing if front of the motor looking down at it your lift is on the motors right. the flywheel is the rear and the timing chain is the front. While I was writing this I was thinking about it being in a boat and that could get confusing i guess, but then it goes back as where the flywheel is, and that's always the rear so the right stays on the right. now im

no you didnt take any thing for granted i jsut dont know alot . Thanks for your help as well. i cant wait to get er fired up. I hoep this does the trick

Originally posted by CaneBreak
no you didnt take any thing for granted i jsut dont know alot . Thanks for your help as well. i cant wait to get er fired up. I hoep this does the trick

good luck

OK here is the update..

well i had the whole thing wired opisite so now i got 1-4 on the right side and 5-8 on the correct side... and she runs great now here is my next problem

When i give it gas it sounds like the fly wheel is grabbing the starter.. When it idles it doesnt grab it, its when i goose the gas the fly wheel sounds like it has grabed the starter wheel .. when i cut the engine you can here the srter wind down... is the starte to far ?? do i need to shim the starter.. LEt me know what you all think

back at it again

where is the starter sol. on the starter or firewall ? do you have just 1 big 12v cable going to the starter?

Originally posted by lt1s10
where is the starter sol. on the starter or firewall ? do you have just 1 big 12v cable going to the starter?

Thanks for the fast reply.. OK the sol is on the block since i dont have a fire wall and the starter also has a sol mounted to it. I have one big cable going from the block mounted sol to the starter..

let me know

thanks again

Originally posted by CaneBreak
Thanks for the fast reply.. OK the sol is on the block since i dont have a fire wall and the starter also has a sol mounted to it. I have one big cable going from the block mounted sol to the starter..

let me know

thanks again

when the motor starts, the flywheel is supposed to help sling the bendex out of the flywheel not pull it in. if it is pulling it in, then the spring that's supposed to help keep it out of the flywheel must be broken or missing. if the flywheel is not loose and you don't have some starter wires crossed somewhere, then id say a bad starter. be sure you don't have 12v at the starter all the time. Ive never had to shim a ford starter out from the block, most of the time it want go in far enough. can you see if the starter bendex is disengage from the flywheel after you cut it off?

the best thing to do might be see if you can shim it out some first.

ok when i start the motor everthing disengages.. the starter doesnt touch the fly wheell.. but when goose the gas or give it gas it seems as though the fly wheel grabs the starter. I guess i need to make sure the start come disengaged when it starts.. i am pretty sure it does..

man it never ends with me

Originally posted by CaneBreak
ok when i start the motor everthing disengages.. the starter doesnt touch the fly wheell.. but when goose the gas or give it gas it seems as though the fly wheel grabs the starter. I guess i need to make sure the start come disengaged when it starts.. i am pretty sure it does..

man it never ends with me

there is a spring in the starter that should push the bendix back, take the starter off and see if the bendix will slide on the starter shaft freely it shouldnt.

Originally posted by lt1s10
there is a spring in the starter that should push the bendix back, take the starter off and see if the bendix will slide on the starter shaft freely it shouldnt.

well, i put the old starter back on it and it does the same thing.. also the bendix doenst slied freely. man this is getting so frustrating.. you fix one thing and now another..

Originally posted by DennyW
Why not test the starter you have off ? Is the starter bendix (over running clutch) in the out position (you can see the gear, and it's against the end of the nose cone), or is it in ?

Denny, i have both starters out and i looked at them both and the starter gear is inside of the starter and it doesnt move freely. When i apply power to the starter the gear moves out and then returns back with no problems....

yup it is a 2 bolt starter.. one bolt comes from the starter side in to the bell housing and the other bold comes from the bell housing into the starter...

i tightened both of them up as tight as they will go. is the fly whell flexing in ward when there is power put to it.. do you think i should shim it out. It starts just fine and the start disengages .. its just when i give it power you hear it catching on the teeth of the fly wheel and when you turn the motor off at the time you can hear the starter gear slowing down..

let me know

thanks again

Originally posted by DennyW
Like around here. You have to have the ridge around the nose to locate it properly in the trans plate also. Double check the aluminum plate between the trans and the motor, and make sure it's not the problem. You do have that plate there ?

wow i didnt know it would be that invlovled.. do you think it needs a shim.. i was jsut throwing out ideas..
I t does have the metal plate btween the block and the bell housing.. could that be causing the problem. .. I wish you could here the noise it make when you rev the engine.. it sounds like the fly wheel is just skim ing the teeth on the starter... it sounds horrible.

why do you think its only when i increase the RPMs this is happening.. god this sucks. I really dont want to creat a shim.. i dont have the tools to cut the sheet metal

let me know if you have any other ideas what it could be..

p.s. thanks so much for the great pictures.

CaneBreak is there some way you could loosen the starter up after you start the motor and pull it away from the motor and see if the noise goes away, or shim it out some with the washers just to try it. you cant leave it like that but you should be able to try it. im not sure its the starter.

well, i went to advance auto and they happen to have a shim that fit ford starters.. it when the whole way around the front flange of the starter and it worked..

phew.. so i took it to the lake and now quess what. I guess from all of that back firing the intake manifold gasket is leaking.. that is about it ..nothing else went wrong.. what happens when that gasket leaks.. can it mess up the tuning of the engine. It ran pretty good but i need to replace it...

also can you all give me a good way to adjust all of the air mixture screws.. what is the best way to dial those in to the best performance


well so close now.. i cant beleive it ran as good as it did.

thanks for all of your help guys.. if it wasnt for this board i would have had to pay someone or the boat would never be where it is