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Well then. Can I put in a can of Seafoam, or injector cleaner with the can of Heet that I already put in??

Quote slantback37

I don't run that corn crap Unquote

I really doubt that statement unless you buy it on an indian reservation or a marina. As far as premium - not a lot of cars need premium any longer so I really don't think many distributors can afford to maintain a separate storage/shipping facility or truck. But - for the 15 minutes it takes to disassemble the top cover and look inside an Edelbrock Performer carb to check for crud - well, I guess you don't need my advice as a 20 plus year user of those carbs.


http://www.ethanol.org/pdf/contentmg...s_07_web-1.pdf

Enter page 34 on the above .pdf and you will see your MN state requirements. This is it in brief:

"Ethanol Profile
• Labeling Laws: No label required
• Number of Retail E85 Stations: 307
• Ethanol Incentives
- Retail Pump Incentive for Ethanol-Blended Fuel—(MN Statutes, 296 A.07)
* E85 receives a 5.8 cent per gallon exemption from the state’s 20 cent excise tax on gasoline. E85 tax rate is 14.2 cents
per gallon. No tax exemption for E10.
- Ethanol Production Incentive—(MN Statutes, Section 41 A.09)
* Subject to state funding, a 20 cent per gallon incentive is available to ethanol produced at eligible facilities that began
production on or before June 30, 2000, for up to 10 years. Annual payments are limited to $3 million per plant. In
2003, payments were temporarily discontinued and reduced to 13 cents per gallon. No payments shall be made for
ethanol production that occurs after June 30, 2010.
- Ethanol Use Standard—(MN Statutes 239.791 Oxygenated Gasoline) (SF4)
* Since 1997, virtually every gallon of gasoline must contain fuel grade ethanol at a volume of not less than 10 percent.
Premium gasoline may be sold without ethanol if properly labeled.
* In 2005, the law was amended to require that if ethanol does not comprise at least 20 percent of all motor fuels
consumed in Minnesota by December 31, 2010, gasoline blends must contain fuel grade ethanol at a volume not less
than 20 percent by August 30, 2013. Implementation of this provision also requires the state to petition the U.S. EPA
certifying that E20 is compatible with and will not cause increased emissions from gasoline engines."

That's what I would do, but you need to be able to bring the engine up to operating temperature to allow the cleaner to do it's job. The best way, of course, would be to take the carb apart and clean it and change the fuel filter.

I am afraid that if I took the top off I would loose something. I am hoping by adding something like Seafoam it mightclean it out. If not. The I will have to take the top off.

Not sure if you know it but Duluth has several gas stations that sell non-oxy fuel. To get a list look at the Minnesota Street Rod Association website and follow the "Features" pull down. (or just click on this link)http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/NonOxyMay2011.pdf

Yes i know. I am a member of MSRA. Been buying my gas at Holiday for years..

So IC2. You have 20 years of the Edelbrock carb. I bought mine last year. That is about all I know about it as far as taking it apart.. I know nothing. I don't want to take the top off, and a bunch of springs fly out, and there are gaskets to replace..

The things to worry about if you take the top off an Edlebrock/Carter is the metering rods and the accelerator pump and don't bump the floats as they are a pain in the arse to set properly. The top gasket can be reused unless it's torn. The first Carter/Edlebrock 4 barrel I fooled with was sometime in the mid 60's when the Carter designation was A,B,C,D, and E series if my memory serves me correctly. IMHO, they were a pain then as now.

Originally Posted by slantback37

I don't run that corn crap in in..

Originally Posted by slantback37

I am afraid that if I took the top off I would loose something. I am hoping by adding something like Seafoam it mightclean it out. If not. The I will have to take the top off.

Originally Posted by slantback37

Yes i know. I am a member of MSRA. Been buying my gas at Holiday for years..

So it looks like you really don't run that corn crap in it

Pulling the top off of that carb should not be any big deal at all. Do you have the manual for it showing the exploded view? If not you can get one from Edelbrock, either by calling them or e-mailing their Tech guys. I have found the Edelbrock Tech's to be some of the best I've dealt with. They can walk you through it, and tell you what to expect, unless you can get Dave to do it I would not think you would need to replace the gasket on a carb new last summer with minimal hours on it.

Well I think I will try the Seafoam first.. If that doesn't help then I will pull off the top. I will also change out the fuel filter. I have a new clear one to put on..

About the only other thing you have to worry about is the little clips on the outside of the carb. Once you pop the top of the carb off, you'll be saying that was to easy. Should not be any springs or bearings to worry about in that carb.
I would think there was something else making it miss. Did you check in the dark for sparks like that one guy mentioned?

I am going to do all of hat first before I pull the top off. If it comes to that. When I have the top off. Then what??

Originally Posted by slantback37

I am going to do all of hat first before I pull the top off. If it comes to that. When I have the top off. Then what??

Slantback,
Like has been said earlier, you'll be looking for crud in the float bowl that may be plugging up your jets. If you find contamination you'll likely need to pull the carb and blow out the passages or at least dump the bowls.

The more I think about it this does not sound like a carb problem to me. Nine times out of ten a "miss" is going to be electrical or timing, including popping back through the carb. Have you checked your distributor cap for crossfire tracking? Any moisture in the cap? Arcs & sparks from plug wires? It really sounds to me like you're getting some sort of crossfire, maybe intermittent? Is it a steady miss? Could you have a bad plug like Gusaroo had in another thread?

Originally Posted by Gusaroo

Thx for the great perspective on this...turns out it was a defective spark plug. I guess thats what I get for buying them at Walmart. Pisses me off that I had to check and re-check everything for something this stupid. But I guess I can be happy that it wasn't something I did. I thought for sure I was over zealous with the anti seize...

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

All the name brands we used to rely on years ago seem to have gotten very bad, qualitywise. I won't go near a Fram oil filter for any reason, and am not all that crazy about Champion and AC Delco spark plugs any more. I just pulled a set of Champions out of the engine in my 27 that had very few miles on them and replaced them with NGK's. I can't tell you how much better the engine runs. Stronger all the way thorugh the rpm range and off idle there is no stumble at all.

Glad you found what was causing your problem.

If it were mine I would first start it in the dark and look for sparks, then pull and inspect the distributor cap, then buy a set of good quality plugs if it's still there. Just my opinion

Thanks. I'll check that first. Tonight..

Are those NKG spark plugs good?? If I have to replace them. I want a good plug..