Thread: 32 Ford Roadster Windshield Finger Pulls

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No offense taken Denny, I only do it to help. But I also think that you're completely clueless that that kind of comment it what's driven several people off this site. Spare the excuses, I've already heard them.

DennyW, maybe smart guys are sensitive sometimes. I thought this might be a problem but just thought Bob's picture slightly lighter. In my career I usually grooved in on some fundamental detail but often did not stay up with the latest technology. This is because after many stages of graphics evolution with maybe each stage of a year or so whatever hotshot graphics I used before would go out of date. I originally spent a lot of time on CalComp flat bed graphics plotters but then PC software came out so fast I did not keep up. So DennyW, Bob and C9X are certainly ahead of me on the PC graphics. Did you all use "Photoshop"? I only have PAINT so far and Denny certainly is a pro with the color shading and as I said I still have the neat maroon '29 Denny shaded in from a white picture, neat stuff, even removing one of the passengers. I have already learned and used the trick DennyW showed on how to merge several pictures into one and to keep Denny happy I am attaching one with five (5) pictures merged using the method he showed, they are pictures of the top four (highest occupied energy) electronic orbitals of formaldehyde. This may/may not be the cover of our new book since the cover art selection is sort of a committee process and anytime you get three people on a committee there are usually seven opinions! Just for the record, I am using an early Canon Power Shot A20 camera with only 2.1 Megapixels (which we won from a Coke can!) and I usually just resize the picture by 50%x50% to make it into the Forum limit but I don't know if all the pixels are resized or maybe there are only 1/4 the number of pixels. I am unfamiliar with this camera (which is my son's since he won it) and use the "auto flash" which doesn't always work. I wish I were using my old 35mm with all manual settings! Anyway in the garage with only a fluorescent overhead the pictures come out dark so I need to either get Photoshop and/or learn how to use some sort of manual settings on the camera. I was just so excited to get the windshield on that I wanted to take a picture as my first advancement on the car in over a year but it came out too dark. So here is the question: tell me what software to get to lighten up dark pictures.

Now, for C9X, I talked with a guy named "Dale" at Brookville who occasionaly installs windshields on their steel '29 roadsters. He says there should be a lip on the inside of the '29 stanchions but in fact I have official Brookville stainless stanchions (2" chopped) and they have no such lip, perhaps because they are not replicas but just "hot rod" parts? Anyway Dale suggested and it seems reasonable to add a tab to the bottom of the inside of each stanchion with two small bolts or machine screws as a fix to keep the windshield from swinging in. I can get some scrap stainless but cannot imagine how to polish it so I will probably use flat steel and paint the tabs body color.

I will try to answer any question on the theory of electronic structure if anyone asks (hah!) but you guys are the experts in PC graphics and building cars, I am the amateur here and need advice from several sources, so let us just stay calm and swap useful info. Whatever I know about cars is mostly useless stuff on early Fords, VWs and MGs so I am really groping when it comes to the SBC drive line and I am sorry to say that I will need more advice and hope not to become a pest any more than necessary.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

DennyW, That's great, now you can even see a small part of my temporary steering column just behind the dipstick as well as my new tilt column hanging on the left curing like a ham. When I got the tilt column painted a second time after scratching it up with the mockup I decided to make sure the paint thoroughly cured in the hot garage over the summer while I mess around with the old column for the mockup. I wasted $60 on the first Camaro column but with paint the tilt column is now over $400 so I will try to cut my losses using the Camaro column for the setup. So maybe you can e-mail your version of this picture to me and tell us the name of the programs you have used? (quantummechanicsllc@msn.com).

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Hi, I am asking this question in two threads to try to get an answer. Since the last nice pictures I have drilled holes in the stanchions for windwing clamps and find that is just one more case of messing around to get it to work. I have windwings cut from laminated safety glass and find the rubber pads I got from Brattons are too thick. I am considering using the rubberized cloth that came with the clamps on one side with the thinner of the two rubber pads on the other sides. Can you make any comments about mounting the windwings?

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

"I talked with a guy named "Dale" at Brookville who occasionaly installs windshields on their steel '29 roadsters. He says there should be a lip on the inside of the '29 stanchions "

That's a stock 29 roadster in the pic I posted with the stops.
Don't remeber a lip, but Brookville could have cast one in since your posts/stanchions are one piece.


Comments about windwings . . don't use glass - meaning safety glass etc.

Make them from polycarbonate (common trade name = Lexan, which is a brand of polycarbonate).
Available from Home Depot etc.

Trouble with glass is, they're usually so heavy they tend to slip out and down in cold weather.

You could make some from slightly thinner Lexan and your gaskets would probably fit.

Take note of the WW's in the pic.
Lexan and they're about 10 years old.
No special care needed and they're as clear as ever.
I wash them when I wash the car and that's it.


And a view through a WW about a year ago.


Note as well the WW's on the 32 are a little shorter fore & aft-wise than a stock 32 WW.
Stock length hampers ingress as well as shuts off a little too much air in summer.
I was removing them in summer, but the shorter ones stay on year-round.
They do a good job in the cold, especially when used in conjuncton with Lexan 1/4 windows that cover the area between top and door gap.


Do your clamps look similar to these?



There are different thicknesses of neoprene rubber available.
Local industrial rubber store, McMaster-Carr etc.

Guess that last pic wasn't needed . . . too much stuff going on this morning, forgot where I was....

C9X,

That is a wealth of help. Yes my clamps are essentially the same as what you show although perhaps slightly smaller. I should have thought of Lexan since the same shop that cut the class for me does Lexan as well and it is of course much lighter. Thanks too for the picture of the Lexan rear quarter windows. Are they secured by the top bolt? That solves a major concept for me for cold weather driving and will allow me to purchase the less expensive LeBaron Bonney top you have recommended as well as retain visibility to the rear. I plan to drill two holes in the top of each door (fiberglass) and add a rubber grommet in the holes. Then I can fabricate Lexan windows with posts for the holes. The only tricky part will be to put a strip of velcro along the top and sew a strip in a flap hanging down from the top edge of the top. All considered, it would seem unlikely that a watertight setup can be achieved easily, but a wind break might allow the annual trip to the Skyline Drive on the Blue Ridge in the cooler Fall weather and earlier outings in the Spring along with the heater under the dash. The stuff that I do myself suffers from my lack of skill but I think I can get it together. I note in your pictures that your brackets hang down from the "ball socket so that if the nut comes off the WW will fall. I think I can mount the clamps so that the weight of the WW sits on the "ball socket" so if the nut comes off the WW will stay there, but that does depend on visibility to the top of the WW and whether the clamp obscures vision. Maybe you do have it set up so the WW has it's weight on the "ball", I can't quite see from the picture but anyway that is easy to do. You have one very neat machine there and I really appreciate seeing your pictures!
On the other matter about stopping the windshield from coming too far in, I agree that I do not recall such a lip on the '31 Fordor I had either so maybe the comment from the guy at Brookville is just his imagination? On my fiberglass dash the upper lip is narrow and it is in the '32 style shape rather than the true Model A shape so I have not figured out yet how to add the stops but for now it mught have to be a piece of 1" angle iron (my favorite material) with rounded corners and a metal screw into the fiberglass painted body color as a last resort. If I could figure out where to get some chrome or stainless angle iron that would be much better. I will look around for some stainless in the nearby Hanover Air Park. There must be some sort of aircraft stainless stuff that could be formed into a stop on each side of the dash. It is coming back to me now that on the '31 Fordor there was a swing-out bracket with a tightening knob attached to the windshield post on the inside? However the roadster stanchions are too thin for that sort of arrangement.

Thanks!
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Just a quick note on the Brookville stanchions, I just received a pair of their stainless, 2" chopped, stanchions, they're in Brookville blister pack, so I know they are Brookville's. They don't have what I would call a "lip" that would stop the glass. There is an insert piece welded on the inner side, that has a groove stamped in it that might "catch" the side rubbers, but that would be the extent of it. Hardly what I would consider a "lip" worthy of stopping an installed windshield. Certainly not like the actual lip on the inner edge of the stanchions on my '36.

Bob, We are talking about the same parts from the Brookville blister pack. I have "glued" the 5/8" wide rubber in the "crack" with "GOOP" contact glue and it seems firm but who knows how many "swishes" of the windshield the rubber can take before dislodging.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Don, your stanchion/post is hollow is it not?

Make up a threaded weld bung with a step and JB Weld it in place from the inside.

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The WW pivot nuts don't fall off because they're nylocks and also because when they get loose - from swinging the WW's in or out - they'll drive you nuts and you'll torque em back to where they should be.

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The Lexan rear quarter windows are secured to the oak bow and stainless top iron piece the oak bow is on.
Slightly longer stainless sheet metal screws into the wood and an 8-32 allen with nylock through the oval hole at the bottom.

Since the quarter windows are supported only in the middle you need a fairly sturdy thickness of Lexan.
I tried 1/8", but they fluttered/buzzed at highway speeds much like the control surface in an airplane will when max speed is exceeded.
3/16" stopped that.

The quarter windows do well in keeping the wind that comes off the windwings from curving in and hitting short passengers right in the ear.

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One thought I have about side windows is a sheet of 3/16" lexan on a hinge that mounts to the top's horizontal bar above the door.
An over-center spring setup to allow the window to stay up or down would help.
Granted, it would leak air to an extent, but the main thing is rain would stay out of the cockpit for the most part.

16 degree's F is my personal best in the roadster, but below freezing at highway speeds can get a touch chilly.

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A couple of pic's during the quarter window mock-up phase.
They will impinge on the ingress-egress bit, but not bad.





Note the notch for the main top bolt, not used for the quarter window install.

When you cut Lexan, use a table saw with a piece of plywood on the table so the sharp table edges don't cut through the protective paper.

A sharp 60-80 tooth carbide blade helps as well.
Cut the basic shape close to the line with the table saw and use a bench style disc sander to reach the finished shape/size.

Use a piece of plywood on the sander as well.

Don't let the Lexan flap up and down on the table saw, hold it firmly in place with your hand
If it does pop up and slam back down you'll probably end up with a chip in the outer edge.

Sand a light chamfer on the edges of the Lexan and wet sand the edges until they look like a typical glass edge.
240 - 360 grit wet/dry works ok here.

Note as well that Lexan has an ultraviolet resistant coating on one side.
That goes toward the sun.

Be sure and make a left and a right side....

C9X, Thanks for the excellent details on the rear quarter window. Yes the stainless stanchions are evidently pressed from heavy gauge stainless with the panel with the groove for the rubber welded across the U-channel of the pressed shape. The holes were drilled through the stainless behind the panel that has the groove for the rubber. C9X, thanks for your excellent help, I can only approach your excellent workmanship in a rough way, but your practical ideas are excellent. I see what you mean about the stop. I could thread a hole in the channel welded across the stanchion near the bottom and use a small bolt with a spacer protruding at the base of the stanchion. Probably a 1/4" stainless bolt with the head cut off and rounded should be enough to prevent the windshield from coming back too far and a short rounded stainless bolt sans head might not look too bad, I'll think that over.

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Don and all,

First of all, I DO NOT have faith in anything that Brookville says or makes. They have been proven wrong too many times during my '31 build to the point that I wont talk to them. They have literally thrown me off their display at NSRA York My car was improperly assembled, dimensionally incorrect in many places and built out of the wrong very soft draw quality steel. You can read my review on another site.

But with that said, Brookville (as do all others) purchase their OEM style stancions from Lebarron-Bonney or Mac's. They were made in Taiwan, but are probably made in China now. There is no lip. They simply repackage them exactly like NAPA does with Standard electrical parts.

Sorry - any mention of Brookville gets me going

C9, I do like the LEXAN wind wings - much nicer then the usual oversized glass versions, especially on an A. Something to consider next spring.

Originally Posted by IC2

First of all, I DO NOT have faith in anything that Brookville says or makes. They have been proven wrong too many times during my '31 build

A side note on Brookville business practices ...

I was at the Brookville booth @ the NSRA Nationals in Louisville this year ( 2007 ) and Ray ... the owner of Brookville ... was making a sales pitch to a fellow about the 32 Ford 3W body. He said that a fellow who had a deposit down ( 5 grand ) was #141 on the waiting list had gotten Cancer, had 6 months to live and Brookville had just gave him his deposit back ... I was impressed ... I thought that was real good of them

Then Ray offered the new guy ... the #141 slot ... if he put down a 5 grand deposit that day

I think that stinks to high heaven ... all the deposits after #141 should have moved up one spot and the new guy start at the rear of the line IMHO.

I know I would be very UPSET ... if I was waiting for a 32 3W from Brookville and they moved a new buyer up ahead of my deposit.

Thankfully ... I have a original 32 Ford roadster and a original 32 Ford 3W coupe ... and do not NEED ANY of Brookvilles products.

Originally Posted by Deuce

A side note on Brookville business practices ...
Thankfully ... I have a original 32 Ford roadster and a original 32 Ford 3W coupe ... and do not NEED ANY of Brookvilles products.

I have a Brookville '32 grille shell for my '31. With the amount of time that I have in repairs, I could have bought an OEM off EBAY. When I approached Ray Golohan about it at York 2-3 years ago and explained what my problems were, he said that they had been addressed and showed me a pristine copy. My (lucky) buddy then bought it for his car project. Last fall I stopped by Dick Spadaro's shop and asked if they had one of the better versions. The two that they had just gotten into stock were even WORSE then mine.

The problems that I had are sunken areas on both sides of the top(1/4"), .060 ridges top to bottom on both sides, the upper right detail ridge was off by over 3/8" and to make things even worse, the insert stuck out by a 1/2". Quality stuff NOT!! And yes, I do understand that there are tolerances - but those were beyond any reasonable assumptions as well as almost everything else on the car I bought. Golohan and I have had several 'discussions' but never more.