Newbie here. Anyone know of a Rod Bods dealer along the East Coast or one that sets up at the larger street rod shows like Daytona's Turkey Rod Run or the Nationals in Tampa? Shipping cost from Nevada doesn't work for me.
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Newbie here. Anyone know of a Rod Bods dealer along the East Coast or one that sets up at the larger street rod shows like Daytona's Turkey Rod Run or the Nationals in Tampa? Shipping cost from Nevada doesn't work for me.
When you get to Daytona, you can look at the Brookville bodies....
Hey, one more Florida guy. Welcome.:D :D :D :D A couple more and we are going to try to overthrow the guys from Washington State.:eek: :eek: :eek:
Just kidding Bob P., geesh.**) **)
As for your body, one way to save freight is to have the vendor haul it to a major event. They will usually do it free if you prepay, or sometimes you can buy their show display, but you have to get to them soon, as there are other rodders with the same idea in mind. I had Mickey Luria from Total Performance do that for me a few years ago, and it saved me some shipping money.
There are a lot of vendors at the Turkey Run, so someone should be able to accomodate you. You still have 3 months, so if you get going you might be able to set it up. Otherwise, call them and see what they can do for you.
Good luck, see you at Daytona?
Don
Amen. As soon as I get a couple of projects done I am going to buy their '29 roadster pickup body and replace the body on my '27. I really think they make one heck of a product.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirSpeedy
Don
Sounds cool.
The B-ville is far and away the best quality and value of ANY '32 body on the market. Steel or glass.
Thanks guys. I'll check out the Brookville bodies and might be ready to push the button by the time Daytona comes around.
Heres a direct qoute by Brian Martin over at the Hotrodders bulletin board. He speaks of some freinds of mine on a similar topic.
"I have to tell you, after reading this thread this morning I went the Goodguys show and specifically hunted out steel bodies and gave them a "feel". I felt every one there and I have to say, they are REALLY rough. I had the impression that these bodies were like the new parts I deal with everyday at work on late model cars, they are NOT. As Mikey pointed out, VERY poor body lines, door fit, general "waves" and much worse than that most had severe low spots sunken in.
I have only tried to use one of these metal repro early ford parts (other than a few lower body panels on Model A coupes) and that was a Model A front fender. It was so rough, I sent it back and repaired an original bought at a swap meet.
I thought that this was the "old days" as this was 10 years or so ago. But after copping a feel on these bodies, they have not improved one single bit, they are VERY, VERY rough. They would take MANY hours, into a hundred or more I would assume to get them nice enough for my taste.
On the same subject, I checked out one glass body that just knocked me out. It was made by "New Age Motorsports" and was absolutely beautiful! Now, I can not stress enough, I know next to nothing about the fiberglass industry. One 30 minute chat with Mikey (Powerrodsmike) at the show today tells me I know even less than I thought I knew. But this New Age body is absolutely fabulas. It had a very shiney black gel coat and you could see it was VERY straight.
I would look into one of them before the repro steel bodies.
Brian"
I'm not sure what steel bodies he was looking at, but the Brookvilles I have looked at for over 5 years at Daytona are subperb. I would die to have one of the coupe bodies they make.
I kind of wonder about his last statement endorsing the one brand glass body. Almost seems like an advertisement of sorts??:confused: :confused:
Don
I dont know exactly whos bodies the man speaks of. Its just one mans opinion.
There aren't that many steel bodies out there, are there??
Don
I look forward to seeing whatever '32 bodies the vendors bring to Daytona but from what I've seen and read, I want steel. I would love to see a Rod Bods and Brookville side by side. I've seen Rod Bods for considerably less money from a couple of their dealers which makes it pretty attractive plus I don't want to pay $1500 shipping for any of them.
There's a reason the Rod Bod is less.............as often happens. Pay me now, pay me later.
If you're not a skilled body man the $1500-2000 difference will be made up and surpassed in body work you hire out to get it smooth enough to paint. And if you're not a body man there's no way you'll SEE the waves in the sheet metal. Body men see that sort of thing with their hands, not their eyes. Lay people see the shiny metal and go OOOHHHHHH! I've been around both B'Ville and RB, the B'ville was much smoother by comparison, and the lines are more accurate as well as better lined up to start with. They do require more reinforcement to make them more stable, but in my opinion they're worth it. I looked at their coupe at SEMA last year. Again, very impressive.............but, it did need some straightening to be really nice.............a TON better than the now discontinued Hot Rods & Horsepower coupes.
If you don't have a lot of experience with feeling irregularities in sheetmetal here's a tip. Take a thin cotton glove with you. Then with your hand gloved, run it over the sheetmetal with your fingers and palm flat (most novices tend to try to do this with just their fingers, it works best with the whole hand surface in contact). Concentrate on what your hand feels, don't try to carry on a discussion with your buddies, and don't let the guy selling the body chatter your ear off. If you can feel any irregularity it will show through on the paint big time......the darker the color the worse. Don't just feel across the big expanses like door and forward portion of the quarter, that's a good place to start to get the feel of it. But also feel around the cowl, top, bottom, middle. The last two RB bodies I was around were absolutely horrible in the upper cowl side area near the body line, dished and wobbly, major time consumer to fix right. Feel the curved surfaces too, especially the deck lid, but also the quarter tops, down low in particular.
If you are building a traditional car - the bodies come out the same price. The Brookville looks like a Henry car - with a couple minor exceptions(tack strips)
The Rod Bod has no cowl lip - flat firewall - hidden hinges, plastic Mazda Miata inside door handles, no cowl vent, poorly shapped upper inner door area(where the top side of the door panel would fit under), etc, etc. If you order the RB with a cowl lip and vent, outside hinges, stock inside door handles, etc - it comes to the same price.
I don't see SoCal or Brizio building rod bods.............
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Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
That is a laugh. There is a lot more that makes a quality fiberglass body than shiny gelcoat.
Do some searches on the boards for New Age - tons of quality issues there....
The ONLY fiberglass roadster body worth buildng is a Wescott.
A freind of mine recently recieved his new age roadster body from a new mold. He was quite pleased with it. Perhaps, you should do some homework, as their website explains how the body is built, and many people i've talked to say it is a "right on" hand laminated body.
It's a shame someone cant come on one of these forums and state a simple opinion without someone directly trying to put that mans opinion down like he knows nothing at all, and you're Mr. Know It All.
The whole industry seems to have quality control problems. Im sure when wescott, brookeville, outlaw, redneck, and bear started up they had tons of issues. It's a part of growth. One man can like a certain company, while another man could hate a certain company.
As me or anyone else here, you're just an opinion. Ive found by reading through these forums that they're controled by only the guys in the "click" and anyone posting as a newbie to the forum, sometimes bringing up new information is immediattely put down or run off. This doesnt help the forum grow, nor does it help hotrodding grow. When people have to hesitate to put anything on this site that ends up being attacked thats really a shame. Theres no more "fun" here.
And that's my goal. To have a car that looks like the real deal. Thanks for everyone's comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirSpeedy
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Originally Posted by SirSpeedy
I have a Brookville body. When it came to making a decision on a brand it came down to Wescott or Brookville. Two things contributed to my decision, steel, and the fact I could easily pick up the body at Brookville and save shipping. I agree that Wescott is outstanding and I would be happy with one.
Just an observation, the only comments BigBlock makes on this forum regarding fiberglass bodies is how great one specific brand of bodies are. Is there an affiliation there?:3dSMILE:
What options if any did you go with on your Brookville body? Just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by 32steel
-Stock hingesQuote:
Originally Posted by earlyfordv8
-Working cowl vent
-Flat floor
-Stock trunk
-Deck former, area around top of body is rolled for a smoother look
Working with the people at Brookville was an outstanding experience. I would highly recommend Brookville.
Again just one persons opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirSpeedy
There are more than just one quality glass builders out there.
But I do agree with Pay me now or Pay me later.
Money saved up front will get eaten up if you dont do your own body work.
Body guys around here get $65/hr and up. That is why I do my own
I have numerous freinds who own, wescott, and brookeville body cars as well as some other brands. Ya know what, I like them they were excellent products from what I can see.
I just thought this new body deserved a little attention, thats all. I thought it was a very impressive product. My main theme was to just say that hey, metal bodies are not perfect thats all. Real professional body men know this as two have stated in this thread.
An excperienced bodyman/street rodder from Mass. told me if he was to build a steel repro bodied roadster, he would buy a brookeville in peices and assemble it himself, because thats the only way it would meet his level of perfection.
What meets the eye is one thing, while what the hand feels is another. Nothing is ever paint ready.
There aren't that many steel bodies out there, are there??
Don, at last count there was at least 4 companies building new steel roadsters and coupes. Brookville being the oldest (other than Henry) and perhaps the best. Hot Bods has been around for at least 5 years and I have seen them at nsra York, but can not vouch for their quality. The others probably have only been in the sales business for 2 to 3 years. As the demand increases more will probably get in.
It seems that the majority of big dollar builders, like Brizio and SAR, use Brookville, so there must be a good reason behind their choice.
And if you would die for one of the Brookville bodies, then forget about it. It ain't going to do you any good if you're dead, unless you need a coffin made from it.:LOL: :LOL:
I think you need to do some homework. As I stated before do a search on some of the boards and you can find out all kinds of info. You'll have an awefully hard time finding someone that is not happy with a Wescott or Brookville product.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
And they aren't fully hand laid either.
Know it all? maybe in this case, yes. I have been to their shop in Conneticuit, I have owned one of them, so I would say I have a higher level of experience with their product.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
Is it not the purpose of these boards to share information and experiences to save others the trouble, heartbreak and disappointment brought on by certain products?
You say I'm just an opinion - I'd say I'm an experienced buyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
You aren't putting up anything "new" here. These guys have been around 4 or 5 years, I first saw the bodies at the '02 Nats.
And as mentioned by others, why do you feel it necessary to stick up for and defend a company you have no affiliation with? There are more than a few people on this very board who have had negative experiences with that product, so they are all wrong and you and your professional bodyman friend are right?
I guess it is just your opinion then right? Based on no experience with any product whatsoever.
[QUOTE=SirSpeedy]I think you need to do some homework.
And they aren't fully hand laid either. [QUOTE]
I only stick up for this product because a freind of mine just recieved his body, and my oninion on it is that it is a dynamite product.
Homework? Funny how you're quick to point a finger at me for being wrong. Bill said that the owner had switched to complete hand lamination.
[QUOTE=SirSpeedy]I guess it is just your opinion then right? Based on no experience with any product whatsoever. [QUOTE]
So basically you are telling me you're the all experienced guro here and i dont know shit. pretty stuck up if ya ask me. As i said ive seen a recent body in person and I liked it, thats all. I have nothing more to say.
Now that I know a bare '32 roadster body will fit in the bed of a full-sized truck, does anyone know the approximate weight? (Steel)
4 guys can easily set one on or off a chassis - so I'd say 800#'s maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by earlyfordv8
Basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
I gotta tell you I burst out laughing with your one word reply. :LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by SirSpeedy
Don't worry speedy uses this forumn to take every opportunity to bad mouth New Age Motorsports. From what I hear, his daddy's money didn't get him what he wanted from New Age so he's upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
If you understand that, the rest is obvious. :)
Now i understand fully. Spoon fed kids never have any respect. This is the problem with our country. Atleast the new signature applies real Truth in Advertising. I didnt even come here to start a war. I merely came here to state i liked a product. Im not here to defend anyone. It's just that I'm now severly ticked off with the piss poor disrespectful attitude shown towards me. I ought to be apologized to for this craziness.
Perhaps if only someone would open their eyes and read. Here is a quote direct from the new age website.
"The New Age Motorsports '32' Roadster features a one piece hand laminated body, double walled doors and trunk that are installed and swinging. We use Isothalic Resin(ISO Resin) and high grade gel coats in all of the products we produce. The body is first gel coated with 18-20mils of high grade black gelcoat. Once the mold is ready for the fiberglass to be applied we laminate a 2oz. chopped strand mat onto the gelcoat. (All the patterns developed for the fiberglass mat have been designed with torn edges to prevent unsightly overlaps and also to eliminate any opportunity for print through.) Once the 2oz. mat is completely applied it is placed over night in our heated booth where it is left to cure The following day we begin by removing any imperfections and prep the entire body to eliminate any situations that may create a problem in the remaining laminations. Once the body is prepped and ready we finish the lamination with 3- 2oz. layers of chopped strand mats, also with torn edges, which produces a seamless looking finished product. The finished thickness of the roadster is approximately, but not less than, 3/16" thick. When building all of our products we ONLY use fiberglass and resin. Whether it is installing the floor, firewall or laminating outer skins to inner skins, it does not matter, it is all the same materials which truly produces a one piece construction."
After a thorough search I can only find one customer that had some issues and after reading the threads (yes actually reading) it seems as though new age had settled the issues with that custumer.
"Tons"?? Not true once again.
These little debates happen from time to time, and like most things can get sort of out of hand. Opinions are like bellybuttons (ok, we'll use bellybuttons) we all have them and they are all different.
Over the years I have owned some products and cars that other people thought were the worst thing ever made, but I liked them. Even though there have been some negative comments made about StreetBeast bodies, I know a couple of guys who have them and love them. One guy even takes 1st place in most of the shows and cruises I have been to when he is there.
Time for some of the things that were said in this thread to be filed under the "lets agree to disagree" catagory, in my opinion. After all, we are still all friends on this forum, regardless of our opinions.
JMO,
Don
I've never seen a New Age product, so I have no puppy in this tussle. However, I have learned that the product descriptions on a site give little more than a hint about the final product. About all they tell you is whether the copywriter's English is up to snuff. Every manufacturer out there puts up justification (or maybe rationalization) of why his body is the best. For example, people USED to believe what Gibbon's site said.
I'm not arguing with you BB, just stating what I learned the hard way. The copy you posted sounds good - but lots of websites sound good. However, it doesn't prove a thing. They could have the best 'glass body on the market, but it takes more than text on their website to prove it.
Please don't take this the wrong way. All I'm saying is that a manufacturer's opinion of himself isn't the most reliable way to determine quality.
You are indeed correct to say that every manufacturer will give a sales pitch so to speak.
Im speaking based upon a real customers body i have seen in person, and thoroughly looked over myself. They arent lying when they say it is a hand laminated body. The quality is right there.
Do they say what the Temperature Distortion Factor is on their 'glass?
Oh Rock 'n Rod - I knew you would get into this....hows that project coming along of yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by rocknrod
I understand that you paid too much for a sub-quality body, and know you take every opportunity to defend your purchase to others - this is typical, "I bought it, so it has to be the best" mentality. Just like a juvenile Ford vs. Chevy debate. People like to press the issue that theirs is the best -because for anything else to be the best, would mean their decision was wrong.
Its funny how those two have told you it was my Daddy's money.....My dad had some free time and decided a ride up there with me - we took a couple days and made a few stops along the way. He passed away last fall and I wish we had done more things like that in the last few years. I
I guess they have to come up with some reason for me returning there product. People who know me on and off this board know the cars I've built, and the things I've done, and maybe a few of them know when I was building '32 chassis' out of a rented 2 car garage in Daytona when I was 19 years old.
At any rate, I can't believe that I have stooped this low to respond this many times to all this crap. You guys have fun building whatever you want.
As for you "Big Blocks Rule", by your own admission, you and yout buddy haven't built or owned a '32 anything, so to say this 'glass car or that 'glass car is better than any other. And for you to even suggest, in any way that they are even close the quality and value of a Brookville, makes you look foolish without anyone even saying a word. Several owners of B-ville cars have posted on this thread, I'm sure it is a laugh.
As for your apology, I am sorry that you are probably going to build a '32 that will not meet your expectations of what you thought that you were going to get, you'll put about 800 miles on it, be sick of it, and dump it on eBay for $22,500, or maybe trade if for a big block '73 Monte Carlo. I will be sorry you didn't end up with a really nice '32 that you can enjoy like so many people do every day.
Your Turn.
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Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
And how many '32 Fords have you built? You have no idea what you are even looking for when you "looked over thouroughly".
Ask Henry there, the things you learn, and the things you know to look for after you've built one - or twenty.
[QUOTE=SirSpeedy] As for you "Big Blocks Rule", by your own admission, you and yout buddy haven't built or owned a '32 anything, so to say this 'glass car or that 'glass car is better than any other. And for you to even suggest, in any way that they are even close the quality and value of a Brookville, makes you look foolish without anyone even saying a word. Several owners of B-ville cars have posted on this thread, I'm sure it is a laugh. [QUOTE]
How do you know what I have built and what I havent?? You dont which is why you ought to WATCH what you say.
Aside from that, you just sound like a total Fool. Anyone that looks at RocknRod's latest 5 window will have a VERY hard time agreeing with you. The pictures he has posted look of increadible show quality to me. Anyone that can say that car is sub-standard really ought to have their head examined.
EDIT: And just how the hell do you know that my buddies 32 roadster project is going to come out "sub-standard". How can you even say RocknRods car is substandard? Im not here telling you anything you have is sub standard or below par. im not here insulting everything youve built in your life. Why must you do this to me and my buddy? Im not stooping so low as you. Anyone can see. And I have not said this particular glass car is better than "any other". I just said i liked it alot. You really ought to read with some care as you attack me for things i havent even said.
Guys, guys , guys. Isn't it time to call it quits on this back and forth rock tossing? From the posts I have seen both of you make, it is pretty obvious you are both nice guys and would probably enjoy a beer with each other. From watching this thing unfold it has just gotten a little out in left field for no reason.
Why don't you 2 or 3 shake hands via computer and move on to other issues?
JMO,
Don
It's late, I am going to a swap meet in the morning. So this is going to be shorter....
Lots of topics to cover here -
You haven't told me anything I've built was substandard. You are right, I don't know what you've built, so no way to really judge that.
You stated in an earlier post that you don't know a lot about the fiberglass industry....I guess I read into that same post that you weren't familar with the '32 bodies...I reviewed that post and you really make no reference to whether you have or have not built an early ford or not...so that is my mistake. So from this point on, I'll assume you've built one. Just for the record, restoring a Camaro (or the like) is not even close to the same thing.
As for your buddies car - I hope it makes a good car - its hard to get them really right...again if he has built one before, my mistake. One thing you learn when you build the second car, and the third, etc, is that cutting corners and taking the easy or perhaps cheaper way out will usually end up coming back to get you....Bob mentioned earlier, "Pay me now, pay me later".
As for RnR, I think his 5w is bitchin', Few people know how much work it takes to make that car look the way it does. Topsterguy built one too. And topster will tell you it took A LOT of work to make that car nice.
If RnR wants to drag in things "he's heard" that couldn't be further from the truth, then it can be game on with him also. I don't go for the cheap shots about things "I heard". I'm going on facts and experience.
Further more, I don't know what your relationship is with those guys - for all I know you may be one of them. I clicked your profile and looked at the posts you've made since you joined, EVERY single one is about that company.
You think I sound like a fool? I am a fool, no doubt. I spend time working on cars in the shop, when I could be working at one of my other business interests that is more lucrative...but hey, the hot rods are fun, and you only get one go around in this life.
Foolish. I'm on here posting, when I could be working on a car out in the shop. But some times you like take a break and see what everyone else is working on. I like to keep track of Don building the $3k T model. That is a neat thread. I posted a pic of a stock model A I bought back in April...trying to the same kind of deal but with a 10k budget. This site actually doesn't get much traffic, so I don't visit as often. I visit Jalopy Journal daily...there are some really talented guys posting over there that have some incredible talent. I hardly post, just read on admire the pics.
Good night. I'll be in late tomorrow night, so you can all gear up for another round in this debate....or maybe debacle?
Most people in the world we know, made their own money.
The facts speak for themselves. Poor little rich "boy".