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Well, that is it then.
I had my first painted an upholstered '32 on the road at 23 - so I'm pretty used to "grey hairs in lawn chairs" crowd figuring it was my dad's car or whatever else....I sold a nice stock '29 pickup todat at the swap....tons of old dudes asking me "where is your dad" - "is this your dad's?", etc, etc.....
The young shall inherit the Earth, you sure can't prevent that my friend.
If I was going to build another 32 Roadster ... I would buy a Wescott ... if I could not find another Henry ... :)
I have looked at them all ... and have owned my Henry roadster for almost 30 years ...
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Deuce, you should tell the story of your 3W and some pics, just to show folks on this site that aren't familar with your coupe what's still out there today.
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Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
OK ... :) here is a photo of my current project ...
and click here for the story ...
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...ge=1&reverse=1
NOT trying to Hijack this discussion ... will go back to lurking ... ;)
Hey Duece,Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuce
maybe you should check out the NEW bodies being put out by New Age Motorsports! I just got my new 32 5-window in last tuesday and it has fooled everyone! When I mean everyone I mean my friends who are in there 60's and only belive in steel!!! Not real sure whats what with Sir Speedy but it sounds like he didn't get his way somewhere down the line, too bad because he is really missin out on some bitchin bodies!!!! Just to let you know about these new bodies:
STOCK FIREWALL (not stock flat firewall)
Stocked Hinged rear trunk
Stock Drip rails
Stock FLAT Floor (NO TRANS TUNNEL)
To check out this new body please come over to my web site www.projectthx138.com later this week and check out the body! I think you may change your mind!!! Don't get me wrong Westcott makes a GREAT BODY but New Age Motorsports just blew them out of the water!
PASS ...Quote:
Originally Posted by project thx 138
I am on my last build ... a 3W ... from Henry ...
But I know a Wescott roadster, done correctly ... holds up for 20 years and more ... ( have a friend with one ) ... and I know their quality ...
Nothing against NEW Age :rolleyes: ... But I will just recommend what I know to be good and proven so ... over the years ... Gibbons used to be pretty good also ... and look what they became ... New Age has a LONG way to go to convince us old timers ... :)
Dee Wescott is working on a 5 window body right now. If he doesn't get distracted too much it should come out next year. Lots of little tweaks that should be very appealing (e.g. roadster quarters). A not very risky prediction....................Wescott will become the preferred 5w glass body of the hobby.
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Originally Posted by Deuce
Deuce,
I know New Age has to prove it's self, but it takes new people buying there product to see what I am talking about. Gibbon, come on that thing looked like a plastic car, didn't you see the drip rails on that thing? I'm not here to knock anybodies make, God knows I think that there is enuff of that going on but I do want to stress the Quality of the New Age Motorsports body. These new bodies are being all hand laid and are quite heavy do to the thickness of the fiberglass and the steel and wood that goes into these babies. I think maybe New Age is getting some crap from there earlier bodies which happened to be the old Flatlanders molds. Just a quick note to everyone reading this, New Age no longer uses those molds. New Age has created there own new molds to more accurate to that of the original 32 and also to be alot more friendly to the customers putting fit together. Hey, I sold my original henery 32 5-window to get this and it was the smartest thing I have done in a long time. I always say to people, " If Henery Ford would have had the technology of fiberglass, They would have been built out of fiberglass!" because we all know how Henery was!
Deuce, I am happy you have a original 3 window! In fact I think that is real Kool!!!! However not everyone can get one of those, so thats why I want people to check out New Age. That is if they want a TRUE QUALITY BODY that REALLY LOOKS LIKE A REAL 32.
Here is the NEW New Age Motorsports body I have been talking about! To see more pictures of this body in detail please go to www.projectthx138.com this Friday to see all the pictures.
There are a lot more detailed pictures of the New Age Motorsports 5-window body at www.projectthx138.com I hope you all will check it out, I think you will be quite amazed at this work of art!
This is for those of you who DO NOT THINK the N.A.M. bodies are right on the money! ANY QUESTIONS??????
what is the weight difference between this body and the original you had
Really Hard to say, My old steal body did not have floors. I can say this, the original body is like a beer can when compaired to this N.A.M. body. If I had to put a weight on the N.A.M. body I would say 335 to 350 pounds. This is just a guess! I can say that I used to put the original 32 body on the chassis by my self but there is no way in hell I could do it with this new body. Hope this answers your questions. OH, by the way I do not miss the old body at all, I just wish I would have bought this N.A.M. body a lot sooner than what I did.
I would have loved to have a steel body on my roadster but it had a Wescott body on it when I bought it. While tracking down the history of my roadster I found that the body on my car is Wescott body #7 :eek: . That means the seventh body they ever sold. Now thats' OLD. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
As I said I am not fond of glass bodies but I have to state the facts: After all these years, the body is till SOLID and I cannot for the love of me find a single crack or spidering anywhere. The only issue I have which will need fixing is the doors and trunk deck are now slightly out of alignment. The doors close very nicely, no problem there, but the bottom seem "out" (flare out a bit from the body). Note that the doors were aligned perfectly back in 2002 said Eric, who owned the car at the time.
NOTE: I am endorsing noone, but thought I would share my own observation and experience with a very very OLD Wescott body. For what it's worth.
Yeah, 20 years is nothing for a glass body. The one on my '27 is that old, and it's a simple Speedway body. After all, what is going to hurt them? Aside from some stress from flexing, the elements aren't going to do a thing to them.
Now, maybe if you let them sit outside for 20 years, in the hot sun and weather, it might dry the glass out and deform it, but that is another situation altogether.
Don
There are indeed high quality steel and fiberglass reproduction bodies out there. Come 2007 however, only those hard-to-find original steel bodies will be celebrating a 75th annivarsary. Many of us wouldn't want to spend for an orignal with their values these days. Not to mention they usually require alot of work, almost always a chemical stripping, metal work, and tons of stick sanding. Finding one of those "barn fresh" originals is like hitting the lottery jackpot. **)
Not really ... it just takes a little looking and work ...Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGBLOCK
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It just takes a little hunting and riding ... and talking with folks ... :D
Yeah, there must be at least 3 people in the civilized world who don't know steel Deuces go for mega-bucks. You just have to find them.:D :D :D :D :D :D
Don
Whoops........make that TWO people in the world. One of them just figured it out. This one has 5 days to go and is over $ 15K already.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1932-...QQcmdZViewItem
Don
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It's all in how you look at it I guess ...
The above 5 window just sold for around 25 grand. Granted that is a fair pile of cash :D but when you look at everything you get ... all at one time ... with no searching ... it is not that bad.
Fiberglass body ... 10 grand ??
original shell and insert ... 1 grand
4 fenders ... a couple of grand
original hood ... $500 up ( more, a LOT more if it was a 25 vent )
Frame ... $$$ ???
headlights, taillights, headlight bar, bumper braces, fender braces, fuel tank, frame horn covers ...
Subtract the $$$ for the stock rear and front ends and any other 32 stuff you do not use ( like cross members, pedals, radiator and the like ) ... and there is not a unsurmountable difference ... IMHO ... for a steel 32.
You have almost everything needed for a cool hot rod and the stuff fits ... unlike a lot of the repro stuff ...getting the repro stuff to fit and the freight to get it to use location at adds up ... plus the expense of tracking it down .
Everyone has their own ideas and ways ... that's why they make both Strawberry and Vanilla Ice cream. Some other favors too ... :)
Hey Hiboygal,
I agree with you on the westcott body! Westcott is an Awesome Company that takes great pride in there work. The reason I went with the N.A.M. body is because I think they turn out just as good of bodies as Westcott but I KNOW that the N.A.M. body is dead on the money to that of a original 32 except the main factor of it being fiberglass. I just took my time going through all the companies that made 32 5-window bodies and it came down to Westcott, Downs, and New Age Motorsports. I went with the N.A.M. based on Ed wanting to work with me getting a 100% accurate body. Believe me there are not too many companies willing to start changing there stuff just to help out one guy! As for steal deuces, I love the hell out of them! but the reason I sold mine was that it needed a TON of body work! I am no body man nor do I have the type of money that it would have taken to make it right so I let some who either had the money or know how take it off my hands for a very fair price. Let me put it to you like this, If I would have put my body on ebay I would have doubled my money!! Now I'm not saying I don't like money but I DON"T like bending good hard working people over either. I just say what ever you have either steal or fiberglass JUST DRIVE IT! Hell 1/2 the people who go to cars shows couldn't tell you what it was made out of anyway! OH YEAH, I really do love everyone's deuces posted here!!!!
Keep her between the white lines
Rick
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Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
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This little 5W ... was at the Charlotte Good Guys 2007event this past Saturday ... Look at the price ( 20 grand ) and then look at " make offer " .
All of the expensive stuff was with the car ... dash, garnish molding, original seat frame, grill shell, fenders, fuel tank, original headlights and bar ... ect ... :) Throw away the aborted attempted 352 Ford motor :CRY: ... and start to work ... for less than 20 grand ...
Randy
Deuce: As you noticed, I had smiley faces after my comment. I said it tongue in cheek, but that is hard to convey with a keyboard.
Yeah, I know there are still some bargains out there, and you have posted a few examples. But if you start with a rough $ 25,000.00 Deuce, you are going to have a minimum of $ 50-60,000 in it when done. That is a heavy hit for most guys, me included. There is no way around it, building a '32 is just very much more expensive that almost any other year. Not only is the price of admission high, but parts are more also.
BTW, I envy you for your find. Those pictures look like they were taken in days past. You don't see them like that very often.
Don
There is a '32 running on Ebay right now, admittedly a very nice show quality car, and he has included a tally of what he spent building it. Thought this might be interesting. Hope it posts clearly enough to read.
Don
I had smileys too ... :3dSMILE: :D
The fact is ... all hot rods cost a good bit of money now ... :HMMM:
The only REAL difference in a 32 Ford and a lot of other rods is the Buy In price $$$ ... IMHO ...
I have a guy I know ... ( a smart A$$ ... know it all type ) who said he was NOT going to spend a ton of cash on a Street rod and yet have a Nice car when he was done because was was going to start with a Cheap, inexpensive buy in project car. **)
He bought a 1940 Chevrolet 4 door ... for $500. ( some years ago )
The V8 Chevrolet engine he used ... cost as much as most rodders engines :confused:
The same goes for the transmission and rear end.
He bought a name brand wiring kit.
He bought more new glass than most ( 4 doors )
He bought more rubber than most ( 4 doors )
His 4 rims and tires cost about what everyone else spent ... :rolleyes:
He paid more for paint and bodywork ( big car and kinda rough )
He bought some items two or three times ... ( because it was not a " common build " he was in new territory and had to find out on his own ... what worked and what did not
In the end ... he has about 10 to 15 grand less in his than I do my 32 Roadster ( the Buy in price difference ) ... but he cannot understand why he cannot sell it for decent money ( he hates the car ... :eek: ) and he never gets any awards or magazine shots :LOL:
He wanted a Hot Rod and build a 4 door Street Rod cruiser ... :p
Thanks for the kind words on my coupe ... It sat in a shed since 1958.
I will be DEEP ... in this 3W ... :( I am already way deeper in it than my roadster. But then I bought the roadster way back in the day ...
This 3W will most likely be my last car project. I tend to buy a car and keep it. I sold another Hiboy steel 32 roadster in the late 70's and have bought and sold 2 40 Ford coupes in the past 10 years. I am not a wheeler-dealer-trader type ...
Randy
Notice how everything is rounded up the even numbers ... :toocool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
I believe there is a LOT of padding in those prices ...
His labor bills are outstanding ...
I want to see the cancelled checks ;)
I had seen that 32 before on eBay ... and it did not sell. Barrett-Jackson has really influenced folks thinking and pricing ...
http://www.hotrodhotline.com/classif...es/7958893.jpg
This little coupe is for sell on the net for $42,000 NEW ... it's glass but it looks good to me ...
http://www.hotrodhotline.com/classif...=174&page=1&c=
Lots of decent priced and SOME not so decent priced 32's for sale ...
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That little summary is pretty much worthless. No detail. And $15k a month for six months? The guy has more money than sense. That looks to be two guys at $50.00 per hour for six months. What were they working with? A hammer and chisel? Looks like he got taken to the cleaners.
Simply put, in order to build a Original Steel Duece these days, you need to be either a masterful fabricator/rod builder, or just plain loaded - So you can pay to have it built.
When starting with a old steel car you have to submerge yourself into the rough waters of dissassembly, removing bolts, which have been tight for 75 years, rust removal, rot repair, etc.
When starting with a new body, eveything goes up from the beggining as actual assembly can begin almost immediately. This is much more positive working time spent achieving your goals, and there will be much less time working before a car will be at a driveable point. Unless of course you're building a 100 point car. But you better have some deep pockets, and/or alot of free time. If you're building a car with the intention of driving it often, the aforementioned expendature would be totally nuts. Even some of the steel repro bodies require alot of work according to Dave at Brizio's. All the metal bodies have microscopic rust from day one. The body will rust or show fatigue cracks somewhere in the future.
My father once spotted a steel 5 window hiboy, chopped for 60 bucks back in 1959. Were'nt those the days.
P.S. Hiboygal, keep your #7 wescott body, You've had no problems with it, and its fiberglass construction will continue to serve you well for years to come. Not to mention, it didnt need any structural work when new. Plus, you're having just as much fun as the next rodder with a steel car. :toocool:
BIGBLOCK,
You are right on the money! I just think some people are true hot rodders and in their minds ALL cars must be steal. I guess those poor Corvette guys are in for a rude wake up call when they find out there cars are NOT really cars! Hey, I have always said if you have the money to buy steal then by steal! BUT there is nothing wrong with having a fiberglass car either. I can find a million fiberglass cars today, but finding a GOOD deal on an original 32 body that I can afford, well lets just say I might die of old age first! Hell, I'm only 37 now.
I can still fool ANYONE with my deuce from N.A.M. and from what I hear the guys at Brizio's fell in love with the N.A.M. body at a show in California so I guess Ed and the boys over there have to know what they are doing in my book!