Thanks for the link, Pat. Got to do some studying on that one! Looks like these guys have their poop in a group for us shifty types!!!!! The torque capability is a concern, not so much on this engine, but i want a streetable six speed in the Ranchero, too... Having that double overdrive lets me go play in traffic, and still have some good deep gears for a bit of Saturday night action downtown..... Yur the best!