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Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

i meant that id have to make my own bolt pattern for the a833 but if those holes are already there cool!! heck even mr gasket made a v-gate style shifter didnt they? super t-10's are going the way of the muncie $$$$$ as of right now anyway. i sure as heck wish i could find that adapter! a guy in one of the new mags i think it was hot rod?? has a cherry black ss camaro drag car with an a833 in it.

I'll do some checking Scooter..... A bunch of guys around here used to run the Super T-10's, might be some stuff around yet. As for the scattershield, some of the Vett'es used to come with T-10's so I'm sure either Lakewood or McLeod makes one with the T-10 bolt pattern.

Mr. Gasket did make a very nice V-Gate shifter. Only problem was that the arms were junk... The slick cure was to make the arms with moly tubing and adjustable heims for the ends. They shifted real good with the good arms! I used them in the skinny block 4 speed Mavericks for years, never had any problems with missed shifts. They were THE shifter to have in Super Stock classes before the Long shifters came out, should be some used ones around quite reasonable now that most everyone has gone shiftless!!!!!

GM t-10's have the same bolt pattern as a muncie or saginaw i meant that the a833 had a differnt one and id have to fab my own holes for it

Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

GM t-10's have the same bolt pattern as a muncie or saginaw i meant that the a833 had a differnt one and id have to fab my own holes for it

Yeah, I don't remember who made the adapter... Maybe Richard or one of the other old drag racers remember... Seems there was a difference in the length of the input shaft, too......


My only thing against the Hemi 4 speeds is that just like the Toploaders, they're a cast iron case and weigh a ton!!!!!

While your looking, take a look at some of the new clutches..... McCleod makes a Soft-Lok (spendy) but there's a couple other companies make a version of it. It takes some of the initial hit off the driveline and prevents some breakage issues....

On the small inch engines, a light flywheel is nice as it speeds up the rate of gain on the RPM when you shift. Aluminum is nice, but then you have to deal with the fact that they don't live real long on the strip, and IMO don't even belong on the street.... There are some lighter billet and nodular flywheels on the market, and even seen a few of them on eBay at a decent price....

yeah i belive they are 3 inches?? longer then a gm. tango was saying something about being able to just use the vega flywheel because its a 153tooth?????i am just using a bunch of used stuff to mock it up so i can make sure everything fits and drive it around then ill order and fetch the goodd long lasting stuff.

Before you wrap up a bunch of $$$$$ in any of it, take a look at the TKO and Tremec 5 speeds, since the six speeds came out they've really taken a big drop in price, brand new they're less then $1800.00, some used one's showing up, too....

dave, right now thats to much, i am in the 0-500 range thats why im on a poormans budget till i get the $ for the good stuff. so far i am into this whole deal 50 bucks, which is what i paid for all the nova stuff , bellhousing, z-bar, crossmemeber etc. and the trans came with the vega so thats free. have a flywheel now , free, just need a clutch and a shifter. i might even get hard up enough to make the vega shifter work!! wouldnt be hard.

ill bet learning to use that v-gate on the street is a different challenge byitself good news is when ever that saginaw does go kaplooie dont take much to stuff the auto back in it. course by then i hope to have a good 4 speed trans.

Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

ill bet learning to use that v-gate on the street is a different challenge byitself good news is when ever that saginaw does go kaplooie dont take much to stuff the auto back in it. course by then i hope to have a good 4 speed trans.

Hmmmm. not a good shifter for street use... Also takes both hands to get reverse and downshifting, other then 4th to 3rd is best done at a stop....

i know i was joking with that a little

If your street use is like mine, they work fine.... I wouldn't plan on doing any road racing or autocross with it!!!!!!

i actually like the short hurst the super 3 the little short straight stick with the r/ lockout.

i was always told to run a somewhat heavy flywheel to keep rpm up ??? but i understand a lighter one will get you there a heckuva lot faster then a heavy one. i dont trust the alluminum ones. another way the guys that do it here and they actually are sucessful is they either run a really good pressure plate with a stock disc or vice versa seems to work for them. but they do go through about 4-6 clutch disc a season. not bad all things considered that could cost a whole lot more like axles and drivelines and god knows what else!!!........ thanks for all this info dave... i am asking as many people as i can. i know that with one of those mcleod's you can get pretty consitent to right? i see that zoom makes a dual disc adjustable spring pressure one now to. my dad was saying something about him using a weber? back in the 70's isnt weber the one that joined with mcleod? and what about using one of those iron sintered disc's ????????

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

While your looking, take a look at some of the new clutches..... McCleod makes a Soft-Lok (spendy) but there's a couple other companies make a version of it. It takes some of the initial hit off the driveline and prevents some breakage issues....

On the small inch engines, a light flywheel is nice as it speeds up the rate of gain on the RPM when you shift. Aluminum is nice, but then you have to deal with the fact that they don't live real long on the strip, and IMO don't even belong on the street.... There are some lighter billet and nodular flywheels on the market, and even seen a few of them on eBay at a decent price....

The big thing with the McCleod that the rep told me is to do the same burnout everytime, and no dry hops... Just pull up and stage... Clutch temperature has a lot to do with the consistency....

The differing opinions on light flywheels will always be there... Big difference is, how fast does your trans shift??? Mine is a comp 5 speed, and shifts with just a blip of the throttle... Sometimes just the first hit on the stutter box. With that Saginaw, you won't be able to shift quite as fast but the consistency can still be there.... Big thing is to remember to do things the same way every pass!!!!!! Using a stock disc and changing it every XXX passes is also a good method, a bit of an insurance policy on the driveline... Main reason for inconsistency with a cluth is experimenting with different things on the launch. Once you figure out what gives the best results for your combination, stick with it and don't change a thing from round to round.

I tried one of the McCleod dual discs, liked it and it was consistent but the Soft Lok is better for me... I've tried all the different discs over the years from 6 spring hubs to solid hubs with paddle discs... Seems certain ones like certain combinations in the engine.... With your mini-mouse engine torque isn't really all that high, I think I would first try a stock type quality disc, Ram or McCleod, maybe a Zoom. Once you get the set up baselined and know what it's doing, then you can use this information to guide which disc to try next....

As for the shifter, I haven't used an H pattern shifter on the dragstrip for 25 years!!! The old Competition Plus was good, no idea what their quality is like now... Once you go in-line with a Long, it's really hard to even want to try anything else.... I like the Long H pattern for the street....

i was looking at a zoom street/strip i always wondered how those 4 paddle discs worked?.....does long shifters have a website i didnt find them on google?

Don't think they do... G-Force sells them, maybe Summit, too. Bought one from Summit once, think they still handle them. Here's the link for G-Force and the info on the shifters,

gforcetransmissions.com/shifter_4speeds.asp

take a look, the Tech guys there can handle any questions you could have on shifters, even the questions you haven't thought of yet!!!!!