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Going to build a 466-501 for my 69 Torino GT street machine. Would really appreciate help to build 500 HP from an 89 460 FI from a F-250. I have a set of new in the box Edelbrock Performer RPM 75cc Heads already but that is the only parts I have for the build. What would yall suggest. Can I use the stock crank and rods ? Please suggest Pistons for 10-1 pump gas and a cam with some rough idle so it will talk through my 2 in headers ? All help is appreciated Bob
Bracket raced a number of years with a 501" stroker... I used a Lunati Crank and rods (because I refuse to support Chinese industry), with the heads you mention on the last one we built, and the John Kasse design heads prior to that, Wiseco pistons, Comp Cams mechanical roller (custom grind, call one of their techs, describe your project and use a hydraulic roller for the street). This 501 was built about 7 years ago, bracket raced for 3 seasons @ 100+ runs per season. In the off season we'd do a leak down check on the engine, touch up the heads and replace the rings if necessary. Now it's in a T-Bird bracket car and gets run 4 or 5 times a year. The best cam, an 1100 Dominator on E-85 the car did 500 hp, 500 torque to the wheels. 500 horse at the crank would be quite easy with a street engine!
I Buy American Made Too, And Thanks For The Info ! I plan to move forward with this project as soon as I am back on my feet good after this knee replacement I just had. Now is armchair planning stage !
You can resize the stock rods with better bolts and also put bushings in the small end sized down to BBC .990 wrist pin size in the custom pistons you'll need-------
Well heck, more to ponder while you're doing the knee rehab!!! Original bracket car was a '66 Comet, tube chassis weighing in at 2750 lbs with a 150 lb. driver onboard. Ran Super Street (10.90 breakout) or brackets (depending on the which had the best payout). Shifted at 6000 RPM (cam was built for low RPM) and the car was very, very consistent dialing in 10.40's to 10.50's depending on the weather and how many turns on the throttle stop!!! The car was track champ twice, Divisional Runner-Up once, and we even managed to haul down a few big buck bracket wins. Also used the car to teach 3 young-uns the basics of drag racing! Today, with nothing more then resetting the valves and a fresh load of fuel the engine in the T-Bird now and could take the car out and run 10.50's still. It's not a terribly high budget engine and has survived amazingly well through everything from new driver abuse to set-in-the-shed-and be ignored!!!! Bad point is the oil pump---even the good shafts like to twist and break, and the long oil pump has been known to break a time or two so have a large oil pressure gauge directly in front of your eyeballs!!!! Ran a similar engine (bigger at 557 cubes) in a rear engined digger for 3 seasons in the mid 80's using a dry sump oiling system....Engine was completely trouble free for 3 seasons of 7.90 racing with nothing but the usual off season freshen up!!!!! Should make your Torino a blast to play with!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderhorse
I miss the bracket racing that I use to do back in the early 90's, my 69 Mustang Fastback (Thunderhorse) name on the side 466 to powerglide, 12 point cage 2x3 tube frame, 16x33s on a 486 gear 9 in. 7.02 on the 1/8 11.0 on the 1/4. just want to have fun again !!! Thanks again Bob
Thanks Jerry, I will give that idea a lot of thought. Thank you for you help, Bob
well only if you knew ????? that was then. now there crank cores are over sea.s how would i know ???? just sent back there top of the line crank for 17000. my cost . crank core same as K1 and pep.rpm all the same core hell of alot less money. they all were on my shop table .then i called lunati alot more money not much other then gun drilled crank and a post drilled crank nose. maybe heat treat or deeper gased crank as i just drilled and reamed for some heavy metal was a new ford lunati crank. thats about there only claim to fame that very lame with there new spin on there china stuff there selling . i used icon piston and scat cranks in most of my mild builds i have some very good running 460 fords it no more worked putting a 4.500 crank in it then smaller crank .most new cranks is setup for a 2.200 pin and used a bbc rod numbers and comes with a 990bbc wirst pin size. many new ford pistons are this sizeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Hey Pat, you want to send your money to China you just go right ahead!!!! Personally I'll pay the extra bucks and go with an American made product for the engine. No amount of your babble to me justifies supporting an economy that has cost the US so many jobs!!!! But hey, if saving a buck is more important to you, then just go right ahead!!!!!
If your'e placing blame for jobs going overseas, don't forget to thank Billy for NAFTA.
you slow ? or what :).. OH your mad that i had to ship a 1700 crank made by lunati that was made in china core back .. well not as much is me :(.. you sir are a ass .. you posted saying your lunati crank is usa made???? ...that was now ... Not the core. not any more. so get off your soap box i still use usa parts but very few now .. why did many GO the china core way?? I DO NOT KNOW ...would think at a money deal and EPA many are what they are china cranks i posted on something i know about as a dealer and builder of engines. all makes evey day i think i know about were parts are coming from better then many on here so if the OP wants to buy usa i would be happy to steer him that way. as you do not have a cue were any thing is made now . you and Rs spears have no cue on something ??????? you should just keep moving . now lunati cores are not all usa made and so are the heads of rspears car china heads and crank and rods and i bet many more parts in his engine.... why he likes your post is beyond me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Well Pat, I've never made any claims about the parts in my engine, and where they're made, and in fact I've been very open about running ProComp heads which are a China casting that were bought because my builder thinks they have more "meat" in the chamber area to allow more creative bowl porting; and that they were bought bare to ensure that the valves, springs & retainers were all good. I didn't specify any of the parts in my engine, but instead expressed that I was more interested in "best value", where I got the best available at the lowest cost, didn't simply throw dollars at names as opposed to going lowest cost, and I trust my engine builder. If you look at the facts, the US foundries have backed away from high alloy steels, and the only place that high alloy piping and other products is made is in the foundries of Japan, and yes, China. Most of the aftermarket automotive companies have shifted to China for their complete manufacturing process, from raw forgings through initial machining and then to finish machining because they can increase profits. A few have realized that there is really no choice on where to get their blanks and rough machined parts, but they import those rough and then utilize the skilled craftsmen in the USA to do the finish machining and secondary heat treating, paying the higher wage for more assurance of quality finished products.Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
Whose posts I like is my personal opinion. I may only like one phrase within someone's reply enough to hit that "Like" button. What is beyond me is what I've done to attract your ire? Based on posts in the past six months or so I'd venture that if I stated that the sky is blue you'd come back and argue about the hue of blue and that it's not a "true blue". The sad thing is that these rabbit trails do absolutely nothing to address the issues of the original poster, and in fact may make him wonder why he's here. With that I'll take Jerry's tack and say "I'm out of this one until the OP comes back with another question...", and maybe not even then unless I believe I can add some value. You have a blessed day.
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL: Is there a translator in the house? I believe I was insulted!:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
Thunderhorse, if in fact Lunati has gone to China cores and like me you still want American Made, here's another source for us;
Magnum – Ford 460
Callies now offers high quality domestically produced Magnum crankshafts for the Ford 460 – 429 engine families. These crankshafts are machined from high quality forgings that are heat-treated and metalurgically certified at our facility. Magnum Ford 460’s are counterweighted to balance bob weights up to 2400 grams without the use of heavy metal. We are confident in the ability of our Magnum 460’s to easily withstand the rigors of a 2,000 HP engine.
Lots of different companies handling Callies, if you need help with a source let me know. We have a good one here locally!
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL: Dave, I only noticed the "rspears" in the last line, and that was the only part I read and was the basis of my reply earlier. After seeing your reply I went back and saw other words, and it indeed appears that both of us may have been insulted but it's hard to tell for sure. I'll wait for the translation before risking being offended for no reason. ;):LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
you will be fine with a cast crank the scat 9000 is nice crank it is about $440. with shipping and for china 4340 steel is 660.to 1100. then a usa made would be more. i would look at the 4340 steel if you think your going to use a power adder i am dealer for all after market cranks. need any help let me know. i move to the callies magnum crank for any thing over 800hp with a power adder.a good crank use them in the big engine builds here is one i did not to long ago did the 4.500 crank cast steel icon pistons scat I beam rods did some low buck thing like fill the EX cross over made up a baffle in the pan i told him how to do it and what to do save some money we .plug the two center hole in valley . spent abit of time cleaning up the inside of block working on drain back from the heads some other stuff :) then i tru -deck it with the bhj tru-deck setup . i then bored and honed it with a tq plate on the deck. small sold roller cam with morals hippo liters . the guy never had a 460 out this big every time he stop by he tells me how it runs
well why are you wasting time with this post. you and dave are very slow ??? i stated that lunati core is made in china . your parts in your engine are made in china why should evey one get pissed out of shape ??op should be happy i let the guy know bout lunati. you can tell the guy why you did the china parts way .i never said any thing other then what i use and whats is not made in the usa any more . lunati is not made in the usa any more .you do not machine engines No. do you sell parts ? No . dave only knows how to hack cars up and make them look like$hit . not a engine builder god i hope not . but jump down me.. stating the facts about a part that he not used in 7 years. i am on the phone every day buying and selling parts. like i said no cue dave .. for one man machine shop and do machine work for two other machine shops so i think i do ok i have many customer they seem to like what i done for them this is not allways easy . i have 3 warehouse i deal with and can get just about any thing my customers need . so if i say something just on the off chance i may know what i am talking about as i do this stuff every day**)**)Quote:
Originally Posted by rspears
here the translator but be for i tell you. why not pull hard on your pony tail and try to pull you head out of your a$$$ :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Boys,
I'll ask you to stop hijacking threads and take your "personal issues" offline.
Enough said.
Bill S.
Does not have much to do with the op but the best mills in the world are still in the US. It is all economics that is why Williams and most top pipeline companies have all their pipe made here to their own specs. API and ASME mill specs can be verified by heat # and grade.
Import pipe is unverifiable especially from China, No inspections or investigations are done until a death occurs from failure. Mill specs. (heat #) are bogus thus cheaper to buy. By the time a investigation takes place the companies are owned by others and changed names.
Bill-------
I have been reading these comments back and forth and also some of my posts have been getting the same treatment from Dave and Roger-
I need to stand up here and state to the whole club hotrod community that Pat and I are probably the only people on here that machine/build engines and/or deal with all these suppliers on a dailey basis-we not only understand the whys and why nots of engine building but also the issues of types of material for things like cranks,rods,pistons,valves,etc---
we also have to deal with customer wishes and/or budjets so we are very finely tuned to what is available for what cost to those customers.
This site is very close to losing me not only because of the picture posting thingie, (and I really want to thank Roger for trying to help me via Photo Bucket) but even more so I'm about ready to call it quits because of Dave's attitude about engine things(yes I do hate bracket racing) and Rogers nit picking about the way my posts are written and I'm 100% sure that Pat is close to doing the same thing.
You might want to contact Dave privately concerning his attitudes to various people on here as he is the sole reason that many have departed------
Jerry Clayton
yep i get the feeling there trying like hell to make me look bad when it comes to what i do. machine and build real engine every day in a real shop . i did find humor in it to a point. i am not the best word smith. now i am done with bull shit .try like hell guys. my name is not gary . i am very open on the web as i use my real name evey were i post on the net . i make a good target the shop name on my post and face book as well your wellcome to check it out any one that feels i do not know how to machine and build real engines face book Mccarthy performance see what guys say about me and parts i sell and engines i buildQuote:
Originally Posted by jerry clayton