What do you engine guys see here?

What is nice about rubbing elbows with guys like some of you who know how to really put an engine together is that shadetree guys like me can learn a lot. I'm probably like most car guys, I just take the parts out of the box and assume they are within specs.........you guys check every piece and make corrections and allowances to make them fit properly. I think that is what happened with this engine, the end gaps were too tight and butted up and caused the rings to fail.

As far as maybe overboring the engine another 20 thousandths, it looks like the scoring might be deeper than that in some spots, but won't know until a machinist looks at the block. If boring it over is possible that would be great, and save us having to use a new block. But it will probably be smart to buy the block we found locally anyway as Olds 455 blocks don't come available very often around here.


Thanks for all the help, we will post what we find when the engine comes apart.


Don

Don

don't bore that hole---take it to someone with a Sunnen CK10 and have them hone it til it cleans up and then measure it--I'd bet a 6 pack of cold ones that .010-.012 will clean it up

even if it does`nt clean up 100 % it will still be ok .. my 351 has a few cylinder scratches and run just fine .. 98% seal is good also

Really? When you run your finger or fingernail across the scoring they seem pretty deep. I have no feel for if that equates to more than 20 thou, but they sure seem deeper than that. But I am just guessing and your suggestions might be correct........I sure hope so, it would save a lot of work (and money).

I'll run that all by the machinist for sure. Thanks Jerry and Hoss.

Don

I would gladly send you a 6 pack of your favorite brew, Jerry, if that is the case. :LOL:

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Originally Posted by jerry clayton

If EVERY set of pistons you have used vary that much I got a few tips for you---

Get a better measuring tool-----
Get someone else to measure them---
buy a different brand of pistons---

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jerry you must remember them old trw s i have had sets of pistons that were.001 smaller in a set.i had one set had to wait for them for two month KBs one was 001.5 . i used it and fitted it to the hole she was going in do it all the time some guy will walk in with blow up pistons and no money and clean the skrits and bore/hone them to each hole...jerry your just use to work with nice pistons .i get lucky some times was week 3 cylinder ford sleeved 3 holes honed it to day for new mahle pistons and sunday a 4.611 bore bbc diamond pistons both sets were good for size :)

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Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

jerry you must remember them old trw s i have had sets of pistons that were.001 smaller in a set.i had one set had to wait for them for two month KBs one was 001.5 . i used it and fitted it to the hole she was going in do it all the time some guy will walk in with blow up pistons and no money and clean the skrits and bore/hone them to each hole...jerry your just use to work with nice pistons .i get lucky some times was week 3 cylinder ford sleeved 3 holes honed it to day for new mahle pistons and sunday a 4.611 bore bbc diamond pistons both sets were good for size :)

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I used to use alot of TRW forged pistons for my builds back in the day and what you say here is true. I see that sealed power or federal mougal owns them now. Also it's been near 30 years since I've built engines. Really out of touch with the newer stuff and the apparent improvements in manufacture tollerances of parts and pieces now days.

well yes and no i had better size on cheap cast pistons . then the race stuff for size to size in a set now they put coating on the skrit and you cant mic it for real size you bore it for the size whey want and hope for the best if i know its going to live a hard life i throw another .0005 or .001 on the bore .

Tonight when he gets home from work Dan and I are going to meet with the guy who has the bare 455 block and if it looks good we are going to buy it "just in case" the old one can't be saved, or at least saved reasonably. They don't show up every day, so we don't want to pass it up and then need it later.

Don

So what is this coating they put on the piston skirt and why? Does it really make a difference in wear? Does it somehow keep the skirt from collapsing? Is this coating optional?

Damn, things have changed alot since I used to do this.:confused::o

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Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Tonight when he gets home from work Dan and I are going to meet with the guy who has the bare 455 block and if it looks good we are going to buy it "just in case" the old one can't be saved, or at least saved reasonably. They don't show up every day, so we don't want to pass it up and then need it later.

Don

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that one can be fixed EZ one sleeve put in bored and honed to size + sleeve $100.

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Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

that one can be fixed EZ one sleeve put in bored and honed to size + sleeve $100.

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I was going to sugest that. I have run a lot of engines with sleves. Also I think I'd get the block just to have it you never know what will let go later.

coating help with dry start ups aids to lower the friction under hard loading .takes up space most all harley davidsons pistons have it air cooled .i have built or machined about 20+ engine with coating s my feelings are mixed no its not going to stop collapsing of skrits

We picked up the spare block tonight, it looks pretty good and has never been bored. There is a machine shop about 100 miles from here that has a pretty good reputation among the Mustang racing crowd and seem to put together a pretty good motor. I think we are going to use them to machine this new block. If it were my engine I would sleeve or see if it could be honed oversized, but he is afraid of doing that and still having issues.

Since it is Dan's money I have to go along with what he feels most comfortable doing, and he has pretty much had it with the block and heads that were giving us trouble. I can understand how he feels, he has 4-5 years in building the car and more money than either of us care to think about, and the only problem so far has been the engine. He just wants to make sure this one is done right, so it looks like I will be hauling it up I75 for him and dropping it off.

Is it best to take the pistons we are using along with the block so each cylinder can be honed to fit each piston? Or don't they need them to do that?

Don

well if they do not ask for your pistons keep hauling it north on i 75 :)

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Originally Posted by pat mccarthy

that one can be fixed EZ one sleeve put in bored and honed to size + sleeve $100.

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That's what i was thinking , sleeve that bore and get another life out of that block and buy the other block , oil it up ,and store it for later ,