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doubling your gas mileage running a home made hydrogen gas generator, has anyone heard of this yet ? My dad made one yesterday and is putting it on one of his cars today for a test run. The claims are very hard to believe, but he knows someone using it right now. And this person is claiming great results also. And for 50 bucks I will give it a shot also. Hey dont laugh it might be worth trying to double your gas mileage. And if it does work I guess some hired oil company assassin will be hiding in my bushes next week for telling you about it.

http://www.water4gas.com/2books.htm

looks very interesting. let me know how it goes with your dad's try at it.

I'm eager to hear of the results... seems more plausible than others I've heard of but I'm still in the "if it sounds too good to be true..." corner.

-Chris

Sounds like the great "Potato bug Cure" to me---

The law of diminishing returns will get ya! It takes more energy to break the water down into hydrogen and oxygen than you get back by burning it. If it didn't you'd be well on the way to perpetual motion, and we all know where that gets you.

Originally Posted by brianrupnow

Sounds like the great "Potato bug Cure" to me---

I ain't a Canadian, Bran, but I am old enough to be aware of the famous "potato bug" scam!

The same cure supposedly worked on our big Texas Red Ants.

Jim

Do not get caught up in the effeciency of hydrogen,the purpose is to not pollute and use less oil.
Who cares if I have to put 150 gallons of water in it a day....or if 50 percent of energy generated goes back into re-generation............its water ...good cheap clean water.
Effeciency is a mute point when the fuel source is almost free and unlimited.......you can bet they will dole it out one gallon at a time{with a massive tax} ,not convert it on board like should be done.
Just keep in mind ,like i mentioned before ,there will be no one source as a replacement for gas ,it will be many different sources to replace the one.

"or if 50 percent of energy generated goes back into re-generation............its water ...good cheap clean water."

IF it were 50 percent of the energy generated! It is really right now, put in 100 energy units and get back 40 to 70 energy units....it is a net loss process using electrolysis.

Give me a dollar and I will give you back 50 cents...see how long you play that game!

Originally Posted by shawnlee28

Do not get caught up in the effeciency of hydrogen,the purpose is to not pollute and use less oil.
Who cares if I have to put 150 gallons of water in it a day....or if 50 percent of energy generated goes back into re-generation............its water ...good cheap clean water.
Effeciency is a mute point when the fuel source is almost free and unlimited.......you can bet they will dole it out one gallon at a time{with a massive tax} ,not convert it on board like should be done.
Just keep in mind ,like i mentioned before ,there will be no one source as a replacement for gas ,it will be many different sources to replace the one.

Shawnlee
It unfortunately isn't just water producing hydrogen right now. You need an alternate energy source to split the water molecule, like electricity or natural gas. It takes twice the amount of natural gas to make half the amount of hydrogen. To put it simpler, inorder to convert water to 20 gallons of hydrogen fuel, it would take approximately 40 gallons of natural gas to supply the energy to convert water to hydrogen.
California was promoting Hydrogen powered cars, because they are clean burning as you know. The problem was where do you get the hydrogen from and how much does it cost. a friend of mine works for the california energy commision. She was furious over the hydrogen hype, because it doesn't use less energy, it uses twice as much. If you just used 20 gallons of natural gas to drive with, you'd save 20 gallons of natural gas to drive the same distance as you would with hydrogen. People are working on using solar photovoltaic cells to make hydrogen fuel sources, but it is not very efficient(i.e. it costs more to produce the hydrogen, than to use traditional fuel sources. As gas goes up, alternative fuels will be more competitive, but unless technology leaps foward, we are going to be paying higher prices at the pumps, and cars like the Volkswagen Rabbit will be very popular again!

A neat bit of trivia....just recently, it was demonstrated that a particular solar cell design would output MORE energy than it took to make the solar cell....just recently!

Before that, a solar cell was a net energy loss over its life. The new designs are still in their infancy but they are coming. However, the new designs are still not to the point where it takes X energy to make them and they put out 10X the energy over their lifetime.

Think about it folks... "energy is neither created nor destroyed" Energy can only be converted from one form to another

Me and the wife have been doing some research on this, and most we have found sayes that it is in fact not a scam, but can be improved alot, there is no found evidence that it does not work. they also have ratings on the best kits to buy and that company comes in second, the first company is called "run your car on water" and if you check ebay, there is the kits cheaper than the fifty bucks.

"It must be true, I read it on the internet"

Listen to Pope, folks. Think about it. If it were as simple as a fruit jar and some hose, it would be a developed technology. There is no "forgotten patent", notice they didnt give the patent number. There is no miracle separation of water into its elements....it takes energy to do so. You will see an improvement in your mileage since installing snake oil products makes you constantly aware of your mileage so you drive more careful...which works.

These scams have been selling for years and seem to pop up in quantity when oil prices spike.

Tune up your car and lose 50 lbs at the gym...that will do a lot more for your mileage!

"Listen to Pope, Folks." Love it, haha.
The thing is, the hydrogen generator would help a bit if you set it up with a throttle switch, so it injected the gases on demand, such as climbing a hill, or passing. The power loss from the alternator would be small, over a long period, and the burst of power would benefit a smaller engine. But do you want to drive around with a quantity of highly explosive hydrogen/oxygen mixture somewhere on board? Not me, thanx.
Totally different from a hydrogen cell, btw. A cell contains no oxygen, and won't go BANG!

Might be worth it just to keep our dollars out of the hands of our middle east friends.

The power company here in our little town in BC (BC Hydro ) is using the water powered generating station to produce hydrogen and has a Suburban
work truck that runs on hydrogen. But until they get up and running (2009)they truck the hydrogen in.
I want to find out more about how they get the power- fuel cell or burn it in a IC engine.
Isn't hydrogen/oxygen what they power the booster rockets.
good power to weight ratio