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A friend has a 35 Ford AA truck body that I can get cheap. I was wondering if there is a new style frame the body could be easily installed on besides using an "A" frame? It was a flatbed truck with dual rear wheels. It is rough and would make a decent rat rod.
Tom
New design frames seldom lend themselves well to a 30's body..... Matt has a thread on here someplace on his rat build, has a start on a good frame...
The old bodies just don't fit....let alone easily. Even if it's a Rat, compatibility and a central theme for the build should be taken into consideration....
Thanks Dave. I'm a newbie to this forum and I'm having a ball reading all the threads that I can. Not getting much done around the house but I'm retired so every day is Sunday. Right? :LOL: This will be my first build. I've restored a 71 Camaro and 57 Chevy but never started from scratch. I'm 63 years old but never too late to start. I just hope this old dog is not too old to learn.:3dSMILE:
I have a model T frame but don't think that would work well for a rat rod. Guess I could beef it up and add my own kick up for the rear suspension. Would that be OK or should I start with an A frame and go from there?:confused:
Tom
I'm no big fan of the stock A frames, they were prone to cracking... By the time you go to the work and expense of getting an original frame blasted, boxed, z'd and whatever other mods you plan on doing, it will usually come out better to just get some 1 1/2" X 3" or 2" X 4" rectangular tubing and build the frame the way you want. Matt's thread shows some good techniques and methods to make the frame strong, safe, and square....Quote:
Originally Posted by tuhll
Sounds like thats the thing to do. Just realized Matt lives not to far from where I live when I am back in NY. Thanks for all the help Dave.
Check into using a T-bucket frame. Lots of companies making them or they are not hard to make youself. The one I used on mine is from Spirit Industries. http://www.spiritcars.com/
Heres some pictures of my Rat. 1951 Ford F1 on a T-bucket frame for a 27 T.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...k/DSC_0006.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...k/DSC_0001.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...ruck/015-3.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/h...uck/011-16.jpg
Thanks DMW56. I'll look into that frame also.
Just a note, you can get a bare frame from them also for a little less $$, so you can put the brackets where you need them for different applications.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuhll
I paid $350 for my bare frame 2 years ago. I couldn't buy the steel for that price then.
Thanks. I don't have the tools to cut the steel at home and only have an old stick welder so it looks like thats the best option for me. And by the way I forgot to mention I like your rod. Nice job. Hope mine turns out that nice.:3dSMILE:Quote:
Originally Posted by dmw56
Tom
My Frame is based off of a Spirit frame, but I didn't neaten up the rails in front of the tubes like the Spirit chassis has them, but I still might.. still, I used a chop saw and an A/C 225 arc welder to build it... my frame has the kickups cut at 45* instead of 35*, which makes a complete 90* kickup., and I built it 3" longer b4 the kickup, and it's 20" after the kickup. but I'm fabricating a body that's a little larger than the 'standard' early car.
Thanks Matt. When I get home from sunny Florida :) in the spring I might get in touch with you to take a look at what you've done. I have attached a picture of the 35 ford AA that I might buy to use. Don't know if a double A body is too big/wide for a rat rod. Any ideas?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt167
Tom
The cabs are all the same from the 1/2 ton's on up. the diffrences are in the fenders and hoods
I have heard that the cabs were the same but wasn't sure. I wouldn't use the fenders or hood anyway. If I buy it I plan on chopping the top and build or buy a frame like suggested. I am also looking for a better body down here in Florida. But if I can't find anything then I think thats what I will use.
I have a 73 ElCamino donor that is junk but I got the 307 sb and 3 speed tranny. Will I have to use a different tranny mount than for an automatic? Wondering if I can use the rear end? How about the front suspension although I would really like to have a straight axle. Guess I'm asking what all can I use off the Camino?:confused:
I really appreciate all the suggestions you guys have given me.:) It amazes me how you know so much about what fits what.
Tom
you will need to buy tubular crossmember mounts for the engine/ trans from speedway.. Spirit sellls seperate motor mounts which doesn't support like the speedway crossmembers, and the Spirit trans crossmembers are bulky... front suspension from the El-camino is way to wide.. spirit frames are 26 1/2" wide.. you pretty much need the dropped axle. but the rear end could work with the correct offset wheels.
[QUOTE=tuhll;369577]Thanks. I don't have the tools to cut the steel at home and only have an old stick welder
I can only speak from my experience . we -my son and I -built our rat from scratch . He knew how to weld , first thing we did was buy a chop saw and a welder and all the tools we didn't have . We could not have built the truck with out them . You are constantly cutting tacking recutting and welding . It also helped that a good friend had the following: plasma cutter,lift,shrinker- stretcher, break, and lots of tools . Another friend who is a professional welder. welded the frame and the other critical joints , Building a "rat" is no different than building any other kind of vehicle , everything has too be done correctly or you could be killed when something that was improperly made , fails.It is actually harder than building something with off the shelf parts that you just bolt on . You also have the added factor that it has too look good -not all different make parts look good mixed . If you dom"t have a stash of old parts out back , or the time too hunt down what you need and lots of tools , you could easily drop 10 grand building a safe vehicle . Just something for you to think about . Are you going to the Turkey run next week ,I'm sure there will be a lot of rats there to give you insperation .LFE I will be there call me on my cell 302 535 3046
[QUOTE=luckyfasteddie;369665]Very good post, Eddie!!!! Doesn't really matter if you're building a Rat, Drag Car, or something to go after the Ridler with, proper fabrication and good strong welds are crucial for safety!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tuhll
Thanks Matt and LFE. I have a welder and my son is an excellant welder just doesn't have much time to help me. I would probably buy a spirit frame and have him weld in the crossmembers.
I would love to go to the Turkey run but doubt it. If I can manage to get there I will definately give LFE a call.
I am attaching a couple more pictures of the truck. Let me know what you think. My friend wants $400. for it.
Yes, worth $400. I've seen the grilles sell for that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuhll
Also check Chassis Eng for crossmembers, engines mounts and tons of other stuff.
http://www.chassisengineeringinc.com/
And give Eddie a call he's knows what he's doing!
Thanks all I'll give him a call.
I mentioned I want to use a straight axle well DUH! there is a straight axle in the truck. Can I use that or is it too heavy being its in a big truck. Can I then change spindles etc. to use the disk brakes off my donor car?:confused:
I'm not familiar with the axle set up on the big trucks but if it's similar to the car axles you might be able to get a spindle kit from Speedway motors that will accept GM disk rotors.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuhll
As far as the Camino as a donor you should be able to use a lot of parts off of it. The rear may be a little wide but with the right offset wheel it should work. You can certainly use the trailing arm coils spring set up.
Thanks dmw56 and evryone else that has contributed to this thread. You all have been very helpful. :) I'm sure I will have more questions in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmw56
Tom