To sum it up,do not let your culture/faction define you ,its based on a fragile thing called perception,its not permanent or unchangeable and anytime you let a faction define you as a individual you severly limit your room for individualism and growth by being defined by a faction or groups actions, not your own individualism.By trying soo hard to define yourself as a individual by becoming part of a group/faction you limit your endless possibilities and do no more than become part of a group and loose that individualistic flavor you are looking for.



Mighty fine words shawnlee, if only humans could follow, but as we all know too well there is a certain path humans take , your either leading or following



One thing about the rat/ kustom kulture scene that i find annoying, is the fact that there is no backbone in a belief, i tone myself down somewhat on this forum from my naturally rowdy self, not to be politicly correct, but to not cloud my mind from the all around learning that can be achieved from the broud spectrum of minds that post here, ive found that there is no reason to try to force a belief on those that do not want to understand, i haved tried multiple times like now to let all speak in different ways so we could better understand our different car cultures, and to learn some history to educate us younger guys who want to no the history of this hobby we all share and devote damn near every waking moment of our lives too, but back to my annoyance, i find all the excuses that most ratters come up with to try to explain this culture is bullshit, every so called retro greaser/ rockabilly ratter comes up with this "were doing it old skool " crap, but none are willing to defend this hardass image they portray, the way i see it, but this is only my opinion, is no its not all old school ,this is a new culture, its a new rebelion of sorts, there meant to be ruff and rude, thats the line they chose to walk when they decided to build a rat rod, not this i wanna be cool crap so im gonna build a rat rod ,then use the low buck excuse, thats crap, don has proved that you can still build a quality ride for cheap, they chose to build a rat cause they wanted to cool and tough, but they lack the balls to admit that, and it irritates the shit out of me, we all might not like all the styles that can be had, but most here can tell you why they like it , and will defend it, if in life someone chooses to talk a certain talk, then they should have the self respect to walk it to, i know im a little guilty of getting off the original subject here, but i had to vent a little, i thank you guys for all the replies they have been great, lets see if we can contibute some more history lessons its going well so far, oh and im also sorry for breaking my own request of not putting anybody down, ill contain myself now